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The Real "LeChuck"

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Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else, already, but I was just thinking . . . This human LeChuck, from his reaction to Guybrush's hand taking over to the way he acts towards Elaine (still affectionate, although in a much more sane way) shows a markedly different personality. What if "LeChuck" as we know him all this time was less the person and more the pox? Beardy could just be some nice bystander that got caught by it and hasn't had control of himself since. (He would've had to have contracted it while he was still alive, and then died later, according to the older games). Guybrush could "literally" be turning into LeChuck, if the curse/anger/pox is LeChuck and not beardy. It also makes more sense for the way the hand behaves, as well.

This could also explain the endscene (not the mystery person, sorry!) very well. Elaine has adjusted to the idea that this new person is not the actual LeChuck, but some newcomer she's getting to know. They've begun to bond over all of their experiences-- she possibly even thinks Guybrush is dead. He sees her looking down, knows she's thinking of Guybrush, and gives her a flower to cheer her up (or there's some strange plot twist where they've been searching for a flower in order to speak to manatees/merpeople and he's finally managed to get a hold of one and she's happy about that-- give the voodoo lady a flower if you're not sure what I'm talking about). She's willing to work with him, or cheered up by him, because she knows he's not the same person.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced of this myself, but my instincts as a writer (which have an eerily high percentage rate for guessing random but correct things) tells me this is a good direction. If you don't believe me give the game another playthrough. Watch beardies reactions very carefully. Watch when and how the hand reacts to things. I may not be entirely correct, but I tend to believe beardy is more a victim of the pox than the actual villain.

Anyway, what do you think? Discuss!

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  • @Nimeni said: Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else, already, but I was just thinking . . . This human LeChuck, from his reaction to Guybrush's hand taking over to the way he acts towards Elaine (still affectionate, although in a much more sane way) shows a markedly different personality. What if "LeChuck" as we know him all this time was less the person and more the pox? Beardy could just be some nice bystander that got caught by it and hasn't had control of himself since. (He would've had to have contracted it while he was still alive, and then died later, according to the older games). Guybrush could "literally" be turning into LeChuck, if the curse/anger/pox is LeChuck and not beardy. It also makes more sense for the way the hand behaves, as well.

    This could also explain the endscene (not the mystery person, sorry!) very well. Elaine has adjusted to the idea that this new person is not the actual LeChuck, but some newcomer she's getting to know. They've begun to bond over all of their experiences-- she possibly even thinks Guybrush is dead. He sees her looking down, knows she's thinking of Guybrush, and gives her a flower to cheer her up (or there's some strange plot twist where they've been searching for a flower in order to speak to manatees/merpeople and he's finally managed to get a hold of one and she's happy about that-- give the voodoo lady a flower if you're not sure what I'm talking about). She's willing to work with him, or cheered up by him, because she knows he's not the same person.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced of this myself, but my instincts as a writer (which have an eerily high percentage rate for guessing random but correct things) tells me this is a good direction. If you don't believe me give the game another playthrough. Watch beardies reactions very carefully. Watch when and how the hand reacts to things. I may not be entirely correct, but I tend to believe beardy is more a victim of the pox than the actual villain.

    Anyway, what do you think? Discuss!

    I think that you need to look at the difference between the ACTUAL Human LeChuck, and LeChuck Sans Pox.

    In CMI LeChuck revealed that he intentionally sailed for Big Whoop, when he was human and did some damned nasty things to get there.

    in ToMI, I think the LeChuck we're seeing, is one that when the Pox left him it took ALL of his Vileness, leaving him much nicer than he actually was.

    either that or Chucky's acting to fool us all. And Elaine.

  • It was mentioned somwhere that Lechuck would still be the main villain in this game, so im not so sure, i still think he is up to something.

  • @BobTGoldfish said:
    In CMI LeChuck revealed that he intentionally sailed for Big Whoop, when he was human and did some damned nasty things to get there.

    Ah, this is interesting. I am at the unfortunate disadvantage of not having been able to play MI3 and 4 to date. So this would make a very good twist. It's not a far stretch, then, to say that the pox is something he brought upon himself through some bad choices on his part. (likely something evil he did). It's also not a far stretch to say that the human LeChuck hasn't "been himself" for quite some time, and what we are accustomed to is the pox. After all the pox does cause one to display behavior much like what we're accustomed to seeing from LeChuck.

    However, the human LeChuck, being evil, may well have his own agenda now that he's finally free. After all, being restricted to limited control often gives one plenty of time to plot and fester. He may wish to finish some things he started as a human. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but I imagine we'll see more of the Vacaylians.

  • I can see some Star Wars analogy in this. Jedi falls to the Dark Side - mostly for a good reason - and when he does he becomes more and more evil until he losts his own personality in the darkness.
    Same can be here - LeChuck was a pirate and as a pirate he did some nasty things (Guybrush does some too - that's a part of beeing a pirate) but after he get cursed\poxed the evil mojo took control over him. Now the pox is gone - LeChuck remembers and regrets all his evil deeds, whant actualy makes him more of a good person than he was when he was before he got cursed.

  • I think it's acknowledged at various points in the games that he was pretty fearsome even before he was dead.

  • True, but in other way than cursed LeChuck. Zombie LeChuck would gladly murder all Goodsoups on Blood Island and take the ring he needed with all their money (they had a succesful buisness at that point). Human LeChuck stole it using a trick. Maybe he didn't realise it would kill Minnie (just as Guybrush doesn't realise he can kill Kate leaving her in jail or kill his crew leaving them on Monkey Island or kill an innocent monkey leaving it hanging on a totem pole).
    Guybrush repeated many of LeChuck's actions (he got that ring on Blood stealing both parts - graverobbing involved, found Big Whoop, crafted voodoo dolls of his enemies, crafted Ultimate Insult). If we don't know the whole story, we could imagine Guybrush as pretty fearsome too.

  • I feel like if you make LeChuck a redeemable character (like Anakin Skywalker), then there is an finality to the games. At some point, LeChuck is redeemed as a "good" pirate and somehow comes to terms with it and now he suddenly isn't the big bad anymore. If he's still even alive at that point, then he's just another human pirate that's probably a big jerk...akin to every other pirate that Guybrush has to deal with. Boring.

  • Am I the only one that thinks that by the 5th episode we'll be playing as human lechuck trying to defeat ghost pirate Guybrush? :D

  • There are other villians - just for example de Singe looks promising to me. This one is completly different to LeChucks and gives the series a fresh look:
    - LeChuck was a pirate with pirate maners, and de Singe is an educated, well groomed man.
    - LeChuck's a big man, de Singe is thin and fragile.
    - LeChucks fights using undead armies and brute force, while de Singe is tricky and manipulative.
    - LeChuck's goal is to get a woman and take revange on his enemy, while de Singe is an insane scientist and he looks a bit gay with his makeup and maners.
    And one more point: de Singe is interested in voodoo and ways of rising dead, so at one point it is possible for him to become the Zombie Insane Scientist Marquis de Singe.
    Pesonaly I wouldn't mind a change of the villian - LeChuck is explored enough and I don't thikn there's much more to say about him (he've been ghost, zombie, demon, gigant statue - what else can there be?).

  • My point is not that LeChuck will suddenly turn into this loveable teddy bear of a guy. (Although I feel he'll at least pretend to be that, judging by what we've seen so far). My point is that LeChuck may be very different than what we know him as now.

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