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Didn't we have one of these? I can't remember.

I've been working on immigration stuff today. I hate it. Here is a picture of an older immigration form to give you an idea of the kind of things I have to deal with:

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This was the draft. It was extremely frustrating because you had to list "unemployed" between any two jobs unless you went from one to the next right away. So it looks like I've pretty much always been unemployed. Plus I ended up not putting most of my odd jobs because they were rarely longer than a couple of weeks and I'd have to add "unemployed" between any of them too -_-'. As it is, the final version still had twice as many entries as they gave room for.
Oh, and also all the Canadian stuff had to be listed first so it was hell to remember everything and put it in the order they wanted. I'm really glad I didn't include the small stuff I've done.

So, I'm in a bad mood. These things are so annoying -_-'. Then they wait 6 months, and they contact you to say you should refill forms because they're not up to date anymore. No really? I thought they'd update themselves on their own while collecting dust in your files >.>

And then they wonder why some people are illegal immigrants.

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  • Government forms when you need something from them are always nightmarish. If you thought that was bad, try filling out forms for financial aid or a security clearance.

    Expect them to deny this one because you spelled McDonald's wrong, and just keep trying 'til the deportation agents show up.

  • @Avistew said: Didn't we have one of these? I can't remember.

    I've been working on immigration stuff today. I hate it. Here is a picture of an older immigration form to give you an idea of the kind of things I have to deal with:

    dxlly8.png

    This was the draft. It was extremely frustrating because you had to list "unemployed" between any two jobs unless you went from one to the next right away. So it looks like I've pretty much always been unemployed. Plus I ended up not putting most of my odd jobs because they were rarely longer than a couple of weeks and I'd have to add "unemployed" between any of them too -_-'. As it is, the final version still had twice as many entries as they gave room for.
    Oh, and also all the Canadian stuff had to be listed first so it was hell to remember everything and put it in the order they wanted. I'm really glad I didn't include the small stuff I've done.

    So, I'm in a bad mood. These things are so annoying -_-'. Then they wait 6 months, and they contact you to say you should refill forms because they're not up to date anymore. No really? I thought they'd update themselves on their own while collecting dust in your files >.>

    And then they wonder why some people are illegal immigrants.

    I thought Canada let everyone in? :p

    I'm in the middle of exam season which means I am having to revise this sort of stuff:

    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20122/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20212/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20302/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20512/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20712/

    It's kind of horrible.

  • @WarpSpeed said: Government forms when you need something from them are always nightmarish. If you thought that was bad, try filling out forms for financial aid or a security clearance.

    Expect them to deny this one because you spelled McDonald's wrong, and just keep trying 'til the deportation agents show up.

    Yeah, well I come from France so I know all about bureaucracy (my favourite of Asterix's twelve tasks because it's so true) but it doesn't mean I'm any less frustrated by it :p
    Seriously, I've had schools asking for so much information for you to register to their courses, and then having a limit date to register that was like a year before the time you want your classes to start. After you go through all of that, and the various days of waiting in line to get the one needed person to stamp the specific form (after several back-and-forth telling you you've got the wrong person and ending up back at the first one you tried), and then doing it again, because you've got 20 such forms to get stamped by people all over Paris...
    Argh! It's no wonder university is free, it's to make up for driving us crazy.

    Anyway, I'm almost done, I only need to provide proof that I was still in a relationship with my husband from January 2010 till now.

    EDIT: I spell it "MacDonald's" at least half the time. I think it's because of "MacDo" which is its nickname in France.

    RE-EDIT:

    @WarpSpeed said: I thought Canada let everyone in? :p

    Haha not really. The only reason I'm even allowed to fill these applications is because I'm married to a Canadian. Then when I get residency, I need to wait 3 years (of living in Canada) before I'm even allowed to ask for citizenship.
    At least I'll be allowed to work in the meantime.

    @WarpSpeed said: I'm in the middle of exam season which means I am having to revise this sort of stuff:

    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20122/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20212/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20302/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20512/
    http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/undergraduate/ugstudies/units/2009-10/level2/MATH20712/

    It's kind of horrible.

    O.O it looks ABSOLUTELY horrible! I mean, the links have "math" in them! I can't even click on them, I'm too scared.

  • @Avistew said: And then they wonder why some people are illegal immigrants.


    I get to deal with the American version of that form, among others, five days a week. (At least the US government only asks for your residence & work history over the past five years instead of ten.)

    I'll leave the precise level of frustration involved in my job as an exercise for the reader.

  • The word "immigration" reminded me of something today that frustrated me.

    There is currently a scandal in England surrounding the banning of England football shirts being worn in public because it will make people who aren't originally from England feel left out [in fact, this is not at all true - this all stemmed from a letter the police in Croydon - a small town near London - sent to pubs which offered tips on how to reduce the violence that invariably happens during the football World Cup. The letter included the phrase "dress code restrictions - eg no football shirts." Note that this is just a suggestion that was only sent out to pubs in one town to bar people wearing football shirts in general. But I digress.]

    Anyway, a girl in college was talking today about this whole scandal and how she thinks it's ridiculous. She was saying stuff like "in my opinion, people who aren't english shouldn't be allowed to wear their football shirts, it's our country, blah blah I'm a moron." This just annoyed me so much. I don't understand the train of thought that leads people to think "I was born on this piece of land, therefore I am more important than people who weren't born on this piece of land." It just doesn't make sense. The annoying thing was, people in the class were all agreeing with her to some degree. How can something as fundamentally stupid as racism be so prominent? That just pisses me off.

    I said to somebody who suggested that it was racist to white people to ban England shirts (and I'd like to point out here that "English" doesn't mean "white") that this was a poor comparison because white people in England are the majority, so it's obviously way less offensive to be racist against a white person than it is a dark skinned person. He responded with something like "but white people aren't the majority any more, ethnic people are the majority now" and I corrected him saying that 92% of Britain is white (a fact I'm not entirely sure why I remembered), and everybody agreed with him and told me I was wrong. Apparently now it's general knowledge that the majority of people living in Britain aren't white? I came home and checked Wikipedia, by the way - I was right that 92% of British people are white.

    Also, the girl who started the discussion in the first place was referring to "immigrants" and then corrected herself and made a big fuss over it saying something like, "oh, can I say that? Is that banned too now?" Someone in the class told her that it's okay to say "immigrant" because it just means somebody who has moved to a different country and she said "I mean just for Muslims in general". SHE ACTUALLY SAID THIS. She seems to think that "Muslim" means "dark skinned" or something... but anyway, I told her that a lot of people who aren't white were born in England, meaning that they aren't immigrants and she responded by saying that white people were "here first" so surely anyone who isn't white is an immigrant. I pointed out to her that nobody was here first because there are no indigenous Britons, and that, in fact, the first people to arrive in Britain were likely European immigrants. She dismissed this with something like "that's obviously different". HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?!

    I wish now that I had told her that, by her "we were here first so we're more important" logic, black people would be the most important people because they were likely the first humans to evolve. I'm sure she would have dismissed that with some oafish grunt and a bullshit racist cliche too, though. God, things like this just boggle my mind. How can so many people still be so utterly oblivious to logic and truth?

    [end rant]

  • yeaHh I've heard that its really hard to get citizenship in Canada, would I be able to if I went with my mom (who has duel citizen ship because my grandmother was still not an american citizen at that point)?

  • @Remolay said: yeaHh I've heard that its really hard to get citizenship in Canada, would I be able to if I went with my mom (who has duel citizen ship because my grandmother was still not an american citizen at that point)?

    If your mom has the citizenship it should be easier for you, provided you're her dependent. But I'm not sure of the specifics since it's a different case so the forms to fill are different, too.

    EDIT: are you sure you don't already have a claim on the citizenship yourself? You're the child of someone who was a citizen when you were born after all.

    Fealiks: all of that annoys me so much, too. First, in France people tend to use "Arab" and "Muslim" interchangeably. Like they're the same thing. Then one type of person who really annoys me is the people who go "I'm against immigration because I think there are already too many people in this country" while they're pregnant with their tenth child or something. So obviously adding more people is okay, but only if they're not citizens because they wanted to, but because they were born that way. Yeah, real logical.
    And I've heard so much insulting stuff against immigrants, both here in Canada where I'm an immigrant, and over there in France where my husband was. But when I point out that I am (or he was) an immigrant, people go "oh, well, that's different. You're... you know..."
    And when they extrapolate, it's pretty clear that we're "good immigrants", not by virtue of having a job, or speaking the language, or anything like that, no, but because we're white.
    While people who came into the country generations ago, and as a result were born French/Canadian are still called "immigrants" by these people if they're from North Africa (usually) or basically if they're not white.

    It also pisses me off how in France so many people, when they say "French" mean "white". Like in your example apparently. And then you have the people complaining that "immigrants stole their job because they're unemployed and look at all the immigrants working in fast food places!". But will they take a job in a fast food place? Oh no, you bet they won't. Too low for them, they'd rather get their unemployment (which is likely paid more anyways).
    It just annoys me, these mind shortcuts. Obviously, they're not taking a job, they took a job you wouldn't want to have, and you're happy they're working there because you go to the fast food places and you like the streets being cleaned by the street cleaners and so on.
    Plus that type of job is the kind that's always hiring anyways, so it doesn't really matter if they're working there. If you do want to work there, you'll find a job.

    In Canada, the funny thing is how people are also very English-centered. What I mean is, well, of course, most of Canada speaks English as a first language. But French is an official language too. My husband ended up in an argument on Facebook with someone complaining about immigrants. He said his wife was an immigrant, the other person said "Well she should learn English!!!11!!", so he replied "She is fluent in both of Canada's official languages, are you?" and the other guy just dropped out of the conversation. It was funny.

    Anyway, it annoys me that so many people who are themselves descendants of immigrants are racist against new immigrants ("because we were there first!") but also descendants of people who were there even before (First Nation people in Canada, Natives in the US, etc). Seems so contradictory, you know?

  • I'd say that I'm frustrated because something, which I guess is my anxiety problem, meant I had to go home from class early, and stopped me from going at all today, but getting frustrated would just make it worse, so I'm not. Still really annoying, though. I don't know how I'm going to learn this stuff if I keep being tired and on the verge of tears all the time. And I should have called to say I wasn't coming, but my ability to use the phone is dependant on the same thing as my ability to go to school, and if I'm not up to going out, I'm really not up to using the phone.

    [quote=Fealiks](Racism stuff)[/quote]
    If that thing about white people being a minority in the UK was true, I think certain newspapers would never shut about it. Just look at this Daily Mail article about surnames.

    I once read a letter to the editor in the local newspaper, the Canberra Times, about how the letter writer's grandparents, or something like that, came to Australia to work, so that was okay, but current immigrants come to Australia to sit around and be lazy, so that was bad. It was ridiculous. I wish I could remember exactly what it said. Also, apparently Today Tonight did a segment on Asian Australians being un-Australian for stupid reasons, because the Chaser made fun of them for it. (swearing)

  • "What have we learned from Current Affairs this week?"

    One of my favourite segments! I wonder what their new show will be like this year?

  • What am I frustrated with? Humanity. Yes, even all of you. Especially some of you.

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