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Where's Doc!? (Possible Spoilers)

posted by oo7solidsnake on - last edited - Viewed by 1.3K users

Ok, I saw this was brought up briefly in another thread, but I'm seeking a more detailed conversation on the matter. At the end of episode 2, Marty and Doc fly into the lightning bolt. It seems like Doc was trying to cover himself, and then we see Marty wake up in the crashed delorean without Doc there.

It doesn't make sense to believe that Doc has disappeared. First of all, then Marty would have disappeared too. Also, in BTTF2, they didn't disappear in Biff's alternate timeline. So, it has already been established, that alternate selves don't make the time-travelling selves disappear.

If this is the case though, then where (or when) the hell is the original Doc!?

Do you guys think he might have jumped out of the car before they hit the lightning bolt? Do you think maybe he's also in this alternate 1986 somewhere, and somehow got out of the delorean before Marty woke up? What are your thoughts?

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  • Lightning bolt? The time machine itself was sparking, probably because of the plain simple fact that it technically should no longer be working. Marty was lucky to get that last time jump in. Basically, because Marty was moving past the point where the timeline changes would be, at least temporarily, irrevocable, the time machine was beginning to malfunction. If Marty hadn't been accelerating to 88 mp/h when Doc realized that things were about to go very bad, then they might have had a chance of changing things back to normal. Since Marty had already stepped on the gas, there was no time. Doc vanished because he was not a Doc native to 1986 anymore. Basically, when Doc went to 2015, he went to a rejuvenation clinic and got a procedure done that added a good 30-40 years to his life. He was around 72 then. By the time you meet up with Doc again, his kids are teenagers, so add about 17 years at the least and he'd be 89. This Doc lives longer. Now, when Marty travels to the Citizen Brown timeline, he finds that any changes that were made to that timeline with the time machine, ie. George and Lorraine's meeting and their new, happier life, were undone. This means that Doc would've never gotten the rejuvenation surgery and since the Doc that was in the time machine had lived beyond his original natural lifetime, he technically could no longer exist. So, he vanished.

  • pretty much. It's implied that in the FCB timeline, doc is supposed to die before the age he is at the end of get tannen.

  • because of Gaddafi and his two "friends", I know. ;)

  • Wow, thanks guys. That actually makes sense. Kind of interesting too. So, it's basically like when Old Biff gets erased in BTTF2, because Alternate Biff would have died younger. Cool.

  • @oo7solidsnake said: Wow, thanks guys. That actually makes sense. Kind of interesting too. So, it's basically like when Old Biff gets erased in BTTF2, because Alternate Biff would have died younger. Cool.

    yes but kind of a different scenario; Old biff probably doesnt spend that much time travelling, its just implied he doesn't live to age 78 in the alternate timeline.

    Doc has spent YEARS time travelling but in the FCB timeline, he does not time travel so the doc we see disappear either gets transported to his natural time without time travelling (so say he was time travelling for 25 years, he'd be transported to 2011) or vanishes if he does not live to the age he is in his new timeline. Or likewise lets just say george steals the almanac and goes back in time from 2015 to 1955 and biff gets his hand on it, george would disappear when he gets back to the future since he now dies in 1973.

  • I just finished the game, and I still don't understand this. I get that the Doc in the delorean with Marty is older than a non-rejuvinated Doc would be in 1986.

    What I don't get is why, since Doc diseappeared, Marty is still there. In the FCB timeline, there is a Doc who *is* FCB, and there's a Marty who's out of town. So each one of them has an alternate. The Doc inside the delorean DID have the rejuvination treatment, so why would he be affected?

    Both Doc's and Marty's pasts have changed, or else Marty wouldn't be a dork. So that explains why there are versions of them in this 1986. But why would one of them inside the delorean disappear and the other wouldn't?

    I thought the logic was that anyone in the delorean is a time traveler, and therefore still has their own timeline (until a fadeout occurs). So the Doc in the delorean should still have his rejuvination treatments and be alive.

  • @bortery said: I just finished the game, and I still don't understand this. I get that the Doc in the delorean with Marty is older than a non-rejuvinated Doc would be in 1986.

    What I don't get is why, since Doc diseappeared, Marty is still there. In the FCB timeline, there is a Doc who *is* FCB, and there's a Marty who's out of town. So each one of them has an alternate. The Doc inside the delorean DID have the rejuvination treatment, so why would he be affected?

    Both Doc's and Marty's pasts have changed, or else Marty wouldn't be a dork. So that explains why there are versions of them in this 1986. But why would one of them inside the delorean disappear and the other wouldn't?

    I thought the logic was that anyone in the delorean is a time traveler, and therefore still has their own timeline (until a fadeout occurs). So the Doc in the delorean should still have his rejuvination treatments and be alive.

    Agreed.

    The only possible explanation IMO is that Emmett Brown, being the inventor of time travel, has become the lynchpin of the space-time continuum and that any drastic alteration to his timeline causes the continuum to unravel in unpredictable ways. This might explain why the 1885 trips were erased even though they occurred BEFORE the divergence caused by the trips to 1931...maybe the continuum went out of its way to erase ALL traces of the Original Doc from the timeline (except the ones which were necessary to the maintenance of the FCB timeline-namely the 1931 trips).

  • @bortery said: I just finished the game, and I still don't understand this. I get that the Doc in the delorean with Marty is older than a non-rejuvinated Doc would be in 1986.

    What I don't get is why, since Doc diseappeared, Marty is still there. In the FCB timeline, there is a Doc who *is* FCB, and there's a Marty who's out of town. So each one of them has an alternate. The Doc inside the delorean DID have the rejuvination treatment, so why would he be affected?

    Both Doc's and Marty's pasts have changed, or else Marty wouldn't be a dork. So that explains why there are versions of them in this 1986. But why would one of them inside the delorean disappear and the other wouldn't?

    I thought the logic was that anyone in the delorean is a time traveler, and therefore still has their own timeline (until a fadeout occurs). So the Doc in the delorean should still have his rejuvination treatments and be alive.

    I also don't really get this in the movies either.
    BTTF doesn't seem to stick to a self established rule but rather changes them for the drama of the story.
    eg: Is the time-traveller affected by the changes he establishes or not?
    Old Biff in BTTF 2 IS affected by the changes he made. He fades out of existance.
    Marty in BTTF 1 IS affected by the changes he made to some extend. He nearly fades out because his parents hardly fall in love. So his physical appearance (and existance) is affected but not his mental appearance. He keeps his memories although he altered his own childhood.
    Same goes for Doc in BTTF 3. Why was the Doc in 1885 surprised when Marty showed up to save him? By writing the letter and delivering it to Marty in 1955 he altered his own 1950s past but didn't get affected by it.
    So who and what is affected by changes in the timelines is simply a matter of telling a dramatic story. Nothing more and nothing less.

  • @tope1983 said: I also don't really get this in the movies either.
    BTTF doesn't seem to stick to a self established rule but rather changes them for the drama of the story.
    eg: Is the time-traveller affected by the changes he establishes or not?
    Old Biff in BTTF 2 IS affected by the changes he made. He fades out of existance.
    Marty in BTTF 1 IS affected by the changes he made to some extend. He nearly fades out because his parents hardly fall in love. So his physical appearance (and existance) is affected but not his mental appearance. He keeps his memories although he altered his own childhood.
    Same goes for Doc in BTTF 3. Why was the Doc in 1885 surprised when Marty showed up to save him? By writing the letter and delivering it to Marty in 1955 he altered his own 1950s past but didn't get affected by it.
    So who and what is affected by changes in the timelines is simply a matter of telling a dramatic story. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Ripple effect not affecting human memory. Also at least from the trilogy, time does not ripple backwards.

    In the game it seems marty doesn't endanger his own existance in episode 3 hence why he doesn't fade. He does at the end of episode 1/start of episode 2 hence why he starts fading.

  • @Michael J Fox is Canadian said: Ripple effect not affecting human memory. Also at least from the trilogy, time does not ripple backwards.

    In the game it seems marty doesn't endanger his own existance in episode 3 hence why he doesn't fade. He does at the end of episode 1/start of episode 2 hence why he starts fading.

    How is Doc's existence endangered if there's a version of him in the FCB timeline? There's a version of him and a version of Marty. So since Marty's in the time machine, Doc should be also.

    Thanks to all who replied, glad I'm not the only one who felt it didn't make sense.

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