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Larry - I don't get it.

posted by Balisong123 on - last edited - Viewed by 2.1K users

I know the guy's really mean and stuff, but you find out he's really only trying to protect his daughter- I helped him get his pills in episode 1, AND I sided with him because after playing EP2 I got sick of Kenny and decided to play the "Fuck kenny." playthrough. He actually acts positive towards me (Larry) when I side with him. I really wish Telltale would've made Kenny be the one to knock me out, or me get hit by the door or something. Anything else. Larry knocking me out just didn't make sense. Why not Kenny? He's the one who was an asshole to him. It might stand to reason that because Kenny has the car, Larry would want to keep him alive, but why not take his keys and leave him and his family and bring Lee instead? Less people to take care of as well.

I'm not angry, I'm just a bit confused. "Larry's an asshole." is not an adequate reason for him to knock me out and leave me for dead. I'm guessing TellTale were either in a hurry, or simply forgot to change that scene up a bit.

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  • Larry knocks you out because he knows you're a murderer, or at least believes that you are and thinks you're an honest to God threat against his daughter and Clementine. Even if it isn't true I see his point of view in that moment, even if punching Lee in the face to leave him for dead is an extreme choice to make. I didn't like Larry very much but I could see where he was coming from with everything, including punching Lee even if I don't think it was a smart or rational thing to do.

  • I think Larry (and sometimes by extension, Lily) are the example of people who have given up a lot of their moral integrity to give themselves (and themselves, only) a higher chance for survival. They don't value children, or help people who need help outside of each other (naturally we see Lily deviate from this if Lee tries to help her save her dad, but she's going to need help and support from someone once her Dad is dead).

  • I actually agree with what Lily and Larry do for the most part, because they are looking at it from a survival perspective. Not a chummy friend perspective. Thanks for the replies, makes sense now.

  • @Balisong123 said: I actually agree with what Lily and Larry do for the most part, because they are looking at it from a survival perspective. Not a chummy friend perspective. Thanks for the replies, makes sense now.

    The collective makeup of their actions only makes sense if the goal is to survive past the zombie apocalypse and then rebuild. All of this changes when you learn that, short of having you brains scrambled, you will always come back as a Walker when you die.

    I don't think that I could ever completely agree with anyone that won't put the safety of children ahead of their own.

  • @Sisterofshane said: I think Larry (and sometimes by extension, Lily) are the example of people who have given up a lot of their moral integrity to give themselves (and themselves, only) a higher chance for survival. They don't value children, or help people who need help outside of each other

    I could say the same thing about Kenny. If you don't side with him, he isn't even willing to give away his position to help while you're wrestling with the gun-wielding brother. Not to mention the *cough* salt lick incident.

    Playing that way, it's pretty clear that Ken only grows a backbone when his own family is in danger, I wouldn't really expect help from him when the chips are down any more than I'd expect from Larry.

  • @Gennadios said: I could say the same thing about Kenny. If you don't side with him, he isn't even willing to give away his position to help while you're wrestling with the gun-wielding brother. Not to mention the *cough* salt lick incident.

    Playing that way, it's pretty clear that Ken only grows a backbone when his own family is in danger, I wouldn't really expect help from him when the chips are down any more than I'd expect from Larry.

    And I don't see it that way. Kenny doesn't always play the hero, but he does what he can to help people in need out (without risking his family). He comes back to rescue Lee in the drug store, he doesn't refuse to keep the student you find in the woods, and I think that killing Larry had more to do with keeping the group within the meat locker safe (as opposed to some selfish desire to protect his family, who is not even in the meat locker at the time).

    Contrast that with Larry, who won't accept new people into the group, tries to kill the person who is responsible for getting him his life-saving medication, and instead of informing people that Lee is a murderer, decides to use it as blackmail to make sure that Lee will always side with him and his daughter. Then there is Lily, who always deigns to her father's wishes (despite them often being wrong, or morally repugnant), and despite being in no danger, refuses to save lee when he is about to be forced upon an electric fence.

    At least we can say for Kenny that he wasn't going to put his life in jeopardy to save someone who has no regard for his safety. Lily acts in the end out of vengeance, as opposed to common sense.

  • While I agree Larry is pretty much a jerk, I don't care for Kenny's attitude towards the end either. Just because I want to make sure this guy's dead before we kill him (He could've held the salt lick above his head until we were sure..Wouldn't have been a problem.) I become the enemy in his eyes. Larry actually is just about to start breathing when Kenny kills him, so that's something to think about.

  • Kenny never gave me attitude, because I ended up siding with him (after pausing to give Lily enough time to convince me she could save him, which she didn't).

    Besides, I know enough about heart attacks and CPR to know that just because someone takes a momentary gasp, it's not enough to prove that resuscitation was sucessful, and that 24 hours after a heart attack you are most likely to have a second one (usually fatal). It might have been better to just let him go and eliminate the threat of him turning into a walker while you're in a position to not risk yourself to further harm, as opposed to waiting too long and he comes back as a danger to everyone, Lily included.

  • @Sisterofshane said:
    Contrast that with Larry, who won't accept new people into the group, tries to kill the person who is responsible for getting him his life-saving medication, and instead of informing people that Lee is a murderer, decides to use it as blackmail to make sure that Lee will always side with him and his daughter. Then there is Lily, who always deigns to her father's wishes (despite them often being wrong, or morally repugnant), and despite being in no danger, refuses to save lee when he is about to be forced upon an electric fence.

    If you side with Lily's she's actually the one that saves you, from both brothers.

    Problem with Kenny is that he's an idealist but doesn't really have the backbone to follow things through. He wanted to save the new kid, now what? Get the trailer running. And it's not like he was planning to bring everyone with him, just Lee and Clem, IF he likes them.

    He'll just do the um "moral" thing and then cast of the people he saved into the wind when it becomes inconvenient. At least Larry and Lily are more up front about not being in a position to care for new survivors.

    As Bali put it, Larry may be an asshole but he's still got the protection instinct.

  • @Gennadios said: If you side with Lily's she's actually the one that saves you, from both brothers.

    Problem with Kenny is that he's an idealist but doesn't really have the backbone to follow things through. He wanted to save the new kid, now what? Get the trailer running. And it's not like he was planning to bring everyone with him, just Lee and Clem, IF he likes them.

    He'll just do the um "moral" thing and then cast of the people he saved into the wind when it becomes inconvenient. At least Larry and Lily are more up front about not being in a position to care for new survivors.

    As Bali put it, Larry may be an asshole but he's still got the protection instinct.

    I still don't see where people are thinking that Larry wants to "protect" people (well, other than himself and Lily).

    Example? When Lily gave me the food, I fed the three kids (I count the student as a kid), and then gave food to Lily. Larry then proceeded to chew me out that I didn't feed him. Who the heck is he trying to protect there?

    Again, when we are trapped in the meat locker, Kenny and I are looking for a way out (and Kenny is obviously panicked, and rightly so because they split him up from both this wife and kid). Larry screams himself to death (literally), and Lily just tries to calm him down. Yeah, they were sure concerned with protecting the group right there.

    And like I said in another thread, even if I can't trust Kenny with my life, I know that if anything happened to me, that he and Katjaa would take better care of Clementine than Lily would - as evidenced by the fact that she wouldn't even step out of the drugstore to help save her.

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