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I've Made Peace with Carley/Doug's Fate...but...*Spoilers*

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It did bother me, I do think it came a tad premature and I will miss them. That's The Walking Dead for you though.

Remember in the comics when they beheaded Tyrese out of nowhere? Or the random killing off of side characters from Hershel's farm? Or when they eliminated two thirds of the cast during the prison attack, including several lead characters? Sometimes The Walking Dead makes drastic but powerful decisions to sell Kirkman's pessimistic tone (which I don't agree with but understand).

I will say though. I think it will be more cathartic for the fans if it felt like Carley or Doug had a distinct influence on Lee in future episodes. We don't need their ghost to talk to Lee or anything, but make the loss feel like it shapes Lee differently than the other character. Maybe losing Carley builds Lee's moral core. Maybe losing Doug increases Lee's distrust. Just something that feels like they made a difference.

Don't post "Well you're asking too much since Telltale doesn't make your choices matter." They listen and sometimes it is good when they make controversial choices like this. I advocate they need to make it still count, but I don't mind that they did it. I had a feeling it was going to happen regardless, if not this episode than the next.

Now if someone could find a way to off Christa and Omid though...

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  • I like that. I think there were some minor impact on gameplay as it stands.

    If you saved Carley, you have the opportunity to tell people that you were a convicted murderer.

    If you saved Doug, Lilly was the one who exposed you, the rest of the crew got pissed off with you for not telling them.

    Would be good to see more impact on character responses from the choices that were made. I need my choices to matter goddammit.

  • @zgamer said:

    I will say though. I think it will be more cathartic for the fans if it felt like Carley or Doug had a distinct influence on Lee in future episodes. We don't need their ghost to talk to Lee or anything, but make the loss feel like it shapes Lee differently than the other character. Maybe losing Carley builds Lee's moral core. Maybe losing Doug increases Lee's distrust. Just something that feels like they made a difference.

    Now if someone could find a way to off Christa and Omid though...



    From the posts that I have read I think that the characters we have lost do influence Lee but not directly. They seem to affect the player who in turn passes on those feelings to Lee.

    Although few profess a love for Lilly, many seem to be projecting her attitude towards survival. When it comes to Charles, Christa and Omid, there is mistrust, more baggage and mouths to feed, get rid of them as soon as possible....sounds like Lilly's influence.

    Carley has her influence too. "hold on maybe they have something to offer" and "these are people who need our help we can't leave them out there to die".

    Hoping TTG honors the memory of Carley should not prevent us from letting Carley's influence shape how we treat new people. Unless, of course, we learned nothing.

  • @zgamer said: Sometimes The Walking Dead makes drastic but powerful decisions to sell Kirkman's pessimistic tone (which I don't agree with but understand).



    Have you ever heard of a ZA where the majority of humanity lives?
    What you call pessimistic most authors would call realistic.

  • Hell man this game is nothing like the Comic, where characters die left and right :D

  • And in some cases you even lose your "left and right"

  • @Xarne said: Have you ever heard of a ZA where the majority of humanity lives?
    What you call pessimistic most authors would call realistic.



    Well I'm just saying the general tone is pessimistic, but I don't think it is unrealistic to have characters be optimistic even in hard trials.

    One of the main things they tried to do with Rick in the previous arcs of the comic (I have not read "Something to Fear" yet) is try to give him back optimism in their ability to rebuild civilization. Sure, I have a feeling that will not last long, but just saying it is not "realistic" does not mean it isn't. One thing I like about the story is that there so many viewpoints taken by the characters. Some are pessimistic, some are optimistic, some are skeptics, etc. People respond to and behave about things differently. It is realistic to them if maybe not to us.

    I'm just saying the overall author tone is pessimistic. I know most zombie stories end with "everybody dies" (which I personally think only works in a couple movies) or "almost everybody dies" (which I prefer). However, the tone does not have to be pessimist just because zombies are involved. 28 Days Later... ends on an optimistic note, which I actually prefer to the "dark" alternate ending.

  • Yep, It's how TWD Works. People die.
    They shouldn't come back, Like many people want. I mean, They think that Carley was shot in the ear or something.
    SHE'S DEAD. SHE'S NOT COMING BACK!

    ...Save doug.

  • @Kiel555 said: From the posts that I have read I think that the characters we have lost do influence Lee but not directly. They seem to affect the player who in turn passes on those feelings to Lee.

    Although few profess a love for Lilly, many seem to be projecting her attitude towards survival. When it comes to Charles, Christa and Omid, there is mistrust, more baggage and mouths to feed, get rid of them as soon as possible....sounds like Lilly's influence.

    Carley has her influence too. "hold on maybe they have something to offer" and "these are people who need our help we can't leave them out there to die".

    Hoping TTG honors the memory of Carley should not prevent us from letting Carley's influence shape how we treat new people. Unless, of course, we learned nothing.



    I hadn't exactly thought of that, but now that you brought it to my attention I would say that I agree on 100%!

  • @QuarterPounderVlad said: Yep, It's how TWD Works. People die.
    They shouldn't come back, Like many people want. I mean, They think that Carley was shot in the ear or something.
    SHE'S DEAD. SHE'S NOT COMING BACK!

    ...Save doug.



    Agreed. If you look at the video, it leaves little room to doubt that she was shot in the center of the face and most probably through the eye. Some may claim people can survive headshots, but I seriously doubt at that range Carley could have.

    And I keep stressing this. If there was even a hint of her being alive, why would they just leave her in the middle of nowhere like that? Wouldn't they have seen her breathing to an extent or felt her pulse? I think it is safe to say she's gone and I can live with that. Still miss her, but yeah.

  • @zgamer said: Well I'm just saying the general tone is pessimistic, but I don't think it is unrealistic to have characters be optimistic even in hard trials.

    One of the main things they tried to do with Rick in the previous arcs of the comic (I have not read "Something to Fear" yet) is try to give him back optimism in their ability to rebuild civilization. Sure, I have a feeling that will not last long, but just saying it is not "realistic" does not mean it isn't. One thing I like about the story is that there so many viewpoints taken by the characters. Some are pessimistic, some are optimistic, some are skeptics, etc. People respond to and behave about things differently. It is realistic to them if maybe not to us.

    I'm just saying the overall author tone is pessimistic. I know most zombie stories end with "everybody dies" (which I personally think only works in a couple movies) or "almost everybody dies" (which I prefer). However, the tone does not have to be pessimist just because zombies are involved. 28 Days Later... ends on an optimistic note, which I actually prefer to the "dark" alternate ending.



    This is true, but look how much Rick went through; how much he lost before he got to that viewpoint? It took him almost the entire series so far to get there (#95+)
    But in the beginning of the series, just like with these guys (and anyone really) the very sight of the dead walking is heart-stopping, they get caught off guard constantly (walkers in shadows, under cars, etc). By the time Rick comes to see hope in the future, his group is totally battle hardened;he even acknowledges they are like the toughest thing he's come across (so far), they deal with walkers like we deal with the homeless- a nuisance in their way.

    I think if Lee does make it to season 2, the story would be less about avoidance and more about settling somewhere because they know 'walker rules: 101' if they havent gotten it already

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