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Chuck is Vernon's brother.

posted by george110 on - last edited - Viewed by 592 users

I am completely surprised not one person mentioned this or how it is not mentioned in the wikia, but Chuck is a lot bigger of a character than it seems.

Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.

Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.


So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.

Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:

Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.

Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.


Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.

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  • I'm speechless right now, I want to disagree but...but...I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE D:

  • he wasn't shot, his head hit the front window when the train crashed, and the picture going missing was a mistake

  • the dead guy in the train most likely crashed and died on impact while hitting the glass

  • @thestalkinghead said: he wasn't shot, his head hit the front window when the train crashed, and the picture going missing was a mistake



    how can you guarantee that?

  • The train driver's death was caused by blunt force trauma he recieved from slamming into the glass hard enough to break it. The train stopped suddenly because something collapsed on the rear of it during a spot of chaos (I think). The train wasn't stopped, it was STUCK. There's a reason Lee had to pry that boxcar loose from the rest. I'm fairly certain that Chuck dying so close to Vernon's group was pure coincidence, as the house, church, and riverfront are all within a few blocks of each other. He likely ran into the sewers, but was either pursied by the walkers or encountered even more once he reached the sewers. He tries to evade them, but in the close quarters he gets cornered, possibly bitten, then takes his own life with his last bullet. The proximity to Vernon's group was pure coincidence.

  • @george110 said: how can you guarantee that?



    i heard one of the people that made it say the picture was a mistake (i think it was on twitch.tv King Foom destructoid lets play with the telltale developers) , it is actually a different scene altogether when it goes missing and they forgot to put it in, and the way he dies is just based on the evidence we saw which did not include a bullet hole in the head but did include a misshapen head, a crashed train and a broken train window (incredibly hard to break) but of course that isn't concrete proof, just enough for me :)

  • No... just no... You are thinking WAYY to much into this... Can't really blame you though, since the time between the release dates give us plenty of time to come up with possible theories, even some of the farfetched ones like this one.

  • made a new account due to name typo... xD


    Anyway, I can agree with the train driver's possible head trauma, but still, Chuck was the guy on the picture. There's no denying it.

    Also, the train was indeed shut off, that's why there was that whole objective that took several minutes which required us to find out how to get it up and running.

  • It seems possible that Chuck is Vernon's brother, but I actually thought that the police officer in episode 1 had more of a physical similarity to Vernon. I used to think that they were brothers.

  • @george1120 said: made a new account due to name typo... xD


    Anyway, I can agree with the train driver's possible head trauma, but still, he was the guy on the picture. There's no denying it.

    Also, the train was indeed shut off, that's why there was that whole objective that took several minutes which required us to find out how to get it up and running.



    i don't know exactly how a train works but i would asume there are certain safety measures built into the train to stop catastrophic failures, so my assumption would be that a safety kill switch stopped the engine (when it crashed) and that the start up procedure was just how that train is always started
    but i did find it suspicious that the start up steps had been cut off the notebook but that could have happened anytime

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