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Why the hell wouldn't you let Clementine shoot ****?

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Letting her live with the thought that Lee turned into a walker because she didn't do anything is by far more disturbing than letting her kill him.

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  • The comparison with Carl in the TV show putting his Mother down isn't applicable here, him not shooting her made no sense because they still were living in the prison. Leaving her to reanimate would have caused more trouble for them, the prison *still* has stragglers even up to the mid season finale! Leaving her to reanimate just adds to the problem.

    Savannah is FINISHED! No one is going there unless it's a suicide mission and Lee is of no direct threat to anyone, and Clementine is miles away.

  • I had to have her shoot Lee. Just like Chuck said, there's no young, no old, no smart, no dumb, you're either alive or you aren't. Sure, Lee wouldn't want her to go through the pain. But if she can't handle it, if she can't accept the change that it will make to her, she might as well be zombie food. Above all else, above trauma, above happiness, above it all, Lee wants Clem to be alive. That's all it boils down to. Age is just a number now. Clem is all by herself and she must be prepared. So shooting Lee was the most critical closure to her childish state.

  • She already has killed. A human being in *The Stranger* if you fail to strangle him and/or Walker if you took her to Crawford or left at the house with a gun. I don't think anyone has to worry about her "not" handling herself. So once again that argument is rubbished.

    It only makes sense to shoot Lee to make it her "first" kill; well second if you exclude the Zombies brain she bashed in with a bat.

    The people who shot Lee need better reasoning skills.

  • If I'm not mistaken, you can let the timer run out when deciding whether to shoot or leave Lee and Clementine decides herself to leave him. I had her shoot him, but maybe i regret it now...

    Becoming a walker is a fate worse than death, and i did not want that for Lee.

  • When it came to that decision my choice wasn't based on anything more than "What's best for this little girl?"
    Throughout this game I've slowly moved from trying to protect her to to trying to teach her to protect herself. The last lesson I wanted to teach her was that she's going to need to do the hard things, kill people she likes in order to protect herself. If she can shoot Lee, no-one else will be a problem.

  • @Vainamoinen said: Dead's dead.

    Would you rather have Clementine go outside and shoot her parents as well? :eek:

    Her parents were walkers already, it's pointless to waste bullets on them, but Lee was still "alive". Dying without turning is just something emotional to do. I still think Clementine needed to learn how to kill someone she like/d, anyway, that's the reason I made her shoot Lee.

    @Vainamoinen said: She already has killed. A human being in *The Stranger* if you fail to strangle him and/or Walker if you took her to Crawford or left at the house with a gun. I don't think anyone has to worry about her "not" handling herself. So once again that argument is rubbished.

    It only makes sense to shoot Lee to make it her "first" kill; well second if you exclude the Zombies brain she bashed in with a bat.

    The people who shot Lee need better reasoning skills.

    The Stranger was, well, a stranger. Clementine had no emotional bound with him.

    @Vainamoinen said: If she can shoot Lee, no-one else will be a problem.

    @Vainamoinen said:
    Becoming a walker is a fate worse than death, and i did not want that for Lee.

  • I had her shoot him, because she CLEARLY didn't want him to become a walker, but I can totally understand leaving him. Shooting Lee doesn't solve her parents being walkers, but the difference is that there was nothing Clem could do about her parents where with Lee she had direct control over it and I didn't want her to think of Lee in the future and blame herself for it. (Sadly, she probably still feels tons of guilt for getting him bitten in the first place, but well, what can you do?)

    Of course, it WOULD leave her with one less bullet, and noise is a legitimate worry, though if you look out that door, you can see stairs going up, so that makes noise a little less of a problem but we still don't know whats up there. There's also the argument that it's more traumatizing to shoot him which I disagree with, but it's still valid IMO.

    What I'm trying to get at is that, like a lot of the decisions in this game, both options are reasonable here. I personally think shooting Lee is the best but I can see the viewpoint of someone who decided to leave him.

  • @RobtMyers said:
    But piling on more horror and despair will not make her stronger, it will only put additional stress on her spirit. And when there's too much of that what you get is suicide.

    Showing her kindness, reminding her that there is good in the world and things like selflessness and love will bolster her spirit and make her determined to fight on.

    If she can't handle how bad the world is at her age then she might as well put a remaining bullet in her head cause she won't make it. Sure there is kindness left, barely. But her childishness got Lee killed and her kidnapped by some strange man who could have had something a lot worse on his mind than making her his daughter. And what is the point of being determined to fight on if you don't even know how to fight or able to make the choices needed to keep fighting? Nope, my Clem won't be anybody's sucker again. my Clem would put a bullet in any a-hole out to get her and she would have the fortitude to end the life of someone she cares for than watch them lose everything about themselves.

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    The situation takes me back to episode 1, to the girl in the motel. She begs to be killed before she becomes a walker. I wonder how many people that had Clem shoot Lee wouldn't shoot/give the motel girl the gun. I'm one of that category.

    I did my best to be a perfect Guardian for Clem. I fought to defend her but did my best to stay merciful towards those who came after us. It may be a dangerous way to live, but without mercy there is no redemption. I did everything I could to preserve Clem's innocence but in the end had her shoot Lee.

    Lee was dying, it wasn't a situation like Larry's. Lee is conscious and asks to be shot which is far different from just "shooting a family figure in the face before they turn". Lee was Clem's strength, her guardian and with him gone she needs to develop her own strength; the start of it was learning there is more than one way to show mercy.

  • She'd be living with the knowledge Lee was still there, trapped as a Walker, that would be more emotionally crippling than anything and it would constantly be on her mind that she left him to die slowly and be turned into the living dead.

    Sure, maybe making less noise (though to be fair it had practically been a riot what with the fighting) would have been smarter and saving one bullet (though it probably had a full magazine) but long-term putting Lee down was better for her and quicker for him.

    Also, after having to kill her guardian and adoptive father of three months? I doubt she'd hesitate nearly as much about killing in the future.

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