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The St. johns might have caused Lee's death

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Think about it.
After listening to unused audio clips, it's proven that the St. Johns brothers planted the bear trap that grabbed David's leg. So, that means that if they HADN'T done that, we never would have heard him screaming, and we never would have met Ben.
Also, if we never met the St. Johns, Mark never would have been killed, nor Larry.
With Larry alive, Lily never would have snapped and shot Carley/Doug.
Also, Larry/Mark might have helped during the Bandit attack in episode 3 and possibly stopped duck from getting bitten.

Ben caused Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Kenny (By loss of will to live), Chuck, and Brie.
We can cross out Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck and Kenny, and that means that Chuck and Brie would have lived.

So, in conclusion, with all these characters alive, things might have turned out better for Lee and Clementine.

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  • I thought this too, but it just means they would have needed more food and would have been outright murdered by the bandits, considering they only knew of them by the St. Johns.

  • @marioluigi344 said: Think about it.
    After listening to unused audio clips, it's proven that the St. Johns brothers planted the bear trap that grabbed David's leg. So, that means that if they HADN'T done that, we never would have heard him screaming, and we never would have met Ben.
    Also, if we never met the St. Johns, Mark never would have been killed, nor Larry.
    With Larry alive, Lily never would have snapped and shot Carley/Doug.
    Also, Larry/Mark might have helped during the Bandit attack in episode 3 and possibly stopped duck from getting bitten.

    Ben caused Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Kenny (By loss of will to live), Chuck, and Brie.
    We can cross out Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck and Kenny, and that means that Chuck and Brie would have lived.

    So, in conclusion, with all these characters alive, things might have turned out better for Lee and Clementine.

    I would like to think the st. johns are not important enough for all that.

  • Just think... if Lee had never killed that senator he'd never of been in that police cruiser - never got in the accident, never met clem, never did (forward through chapters 1-5) and then never died.

    Lee is the master of his own fate.

  • Also, the St. Johns's arrival had nothing to do with Mr. Parker. They were just walking up the road looking for gas. They would have noticed the motel sometime.

  • @DreadMagus said: Just think... if Lee had never killed that senator he'd never of been in that police cruiser - never got in the accident, never met clem, never did (forward through chapters 1-5) and then never died.

    Lee is the master of his own fate.

    It was the senator himself who condemned Lee to death(or Lee's wife). Had he not slept with his wife, Lee would have never had any reason to kill him and go to jail and etc.

    There is never a single cause to events like these. In the absence of one variable, another will probably take its place.

  • @Mornai said: It was the senator himself who condemned Lee to death(or Lee's wife). Had he not slept with his wife, Lee would have never had any reason to kill him and go to jail and etc.


    But if Lee wasn't so hard pressed to start a family, he and his wife wouldn't have fought. Lee would then have never "hurt her." I'm assuming that's why his wife cheated, meaning Lee is the one at fault!


    ...


    :p
    There is never a single cause to events like these. In the absence of one variable, another will probably take its place.
    QFT. I really don't like these roundabout ways to point blame. It's just ridiculous.

    "Oh if Kenny were stronger than Lee wouldn't have fallen back into the street in Savannah, meaning he would have never have went into the sewers! That also means they never would have met Vernon's group! That, of course, would mean the boat would never have been stolen and it would still have been in their possession!"

    "Ah, but Kenny was previously shot not too long ago. That may have been the cause of him not being able to pull Lee up, similar to back in Macon! Meaning it's Andy St. John's fault that the boat was stolen!"

    "No, but you've forgotten the fact that the reason they went to the St. John Dairy was because they were currently living at the motor inn, where Andy and Danny found them! That means it is Glenn's fault for he's the one that was there originally and, most likely, brought the group too after the drug store was lost!"

    Etc etc.

    There's literally no end to this kind of logic.

  • @Mornai said:

    There is never a single cause to events like these. In the absence of one variable, another will probably take its place.

    Exactly my point. :p

  • This kind of thing happens in the comics in the tv show all the time.

    Comics-
    1. What if Rick and Glenn never saw the helicopter at the prison?
    2. What if Michonne actually killed the Governor?
    3. What if Rick never shot his gun in the Alexandria safe zone?
    4. What would have happened if Rick kept going to the Hilltop in the dark, instead of making camp?

    TV show-
    1. What if Sophia was never lost?
    2. What if Shane never opened the barn?
    3. What if Lori never said "sorry" to Shane?

    Yeah, the possible scenarios are endless.

  • @DreadMagus said: Just think... if Lee had never killed that senator he'd never of been in that police cruiser - never got in the accident, never met clem, never did (forward through chapters 1-5) and then never died.

    Lee is the master of his own fate.

    Basically this, when you think about it you can trace blame back to anyone in the group almost. Only true person who caused it was Lee.

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