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It was not ALL bens fault

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Yes he was stealing supplies to give to the bandits, but they HAD been leaving them alone, so it was Lee taking them away that caused them to attack, had Lilly just faced up to the fact that there were more bandits then them and she was beaten, none of it would have happend, at least not then, and duck would not have been bitten, so while Ben started the fire, Lee and Lilly droped a shit ton of gasoline on it......do you agree?

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  • @master psychic said: It doesn't matter if Lee and Clem's families were walkers , vampires , werewolves , leprechauns , they were still their families . I hate how you sympathise with Lilly's pain but you deny Lee and Clem's pain and suffering .


    I don't deny how Lee and Clem suffered especially Clem who still had hope of her parents still living
    I sympathise for Lee and how tough it was to take out his brother and I understand how terrible it was for Clem when she lost everyone so quickly but death by Walkers is less likely to make you and the group fall apart than a 'friend' bashing someone's head open

    Lilly was forced to lead a group when no one else was capable and she had no one left to trust and still managed to save everyone's lives in the Motor Inn when they were all almost executed

    Without her then they could have all died at the attack and if not for her paranoia induced by having no one to turn to she wouldn't have shot someone

    I don't like Lilly and she was responsible for killing Carley and attempting to kill ben which resulted in Doug playing the hero but the group had already fallen apart and no one else decided to take control as no one else was up to the task and was willing to take the lead

  • @Hudomonkey said:
    I don't like Lilly and she was responsible for killing Carley and attempting to kill ben which resulted in Doug playing the hero but the group had already fallen apart and no one else decided to take control as no one else was up to the task and was willing to take the lead

    About that "no one else was willing to take the lead" part- that's a real shame right there. Ever since Carley suggested it in episode 2, I thought to myself that I was going to make Lee step up and be the leader the group needs, as Lilly obviously wasn't suitable for the role anymore and Kenny was looking out for his family first and the group second. Unfortunately, even though characters suggest it, the game never truly gives us an opportunity to stand up and take the lead, at least not until Lilly's gone. It may have been the solution that prevented multiple deaths.

  • @Velociraptorius said: About that "no one else was willing to take the lead" part- that's a real shame right there. Ever since Carley suggested it in episode 2, I thought to myself that I was going to make Lee step up and be the leader the group needs, as Lilly obviously wasn't suitable for the role anymore and Kenny was looking out for his family first and the group second. Unfortunately, even though characters suggest it, the game never truly gives us an opportunity to stand up and take the lead, at least not until Lilly's gone. It may have been the solution that prevented multiple deaths.


    Lilly wasn't fit to lead and she knew it but no one else would...
    Kenny if he was in charge would care only about his family and would abandon and overall weaken the group
    Doug wasn't leader material as he was just the nice honest guy whilst Carley was to secretive and obviously wasn't trusted (well she did keep Lee's secret from the rest of the group)
    The only other people left are Ben and Lee and Ben is too young whilst Lee focused all his efforts on protecting Clem

    No one left alive was fit to lead the group and only without conflict could the group had survived which was impossible because of both Lilly and Kenny

  • @Hudomonkey said: Lilly wasn't fit to lead and she knew it but no one else would...
    Kenny if he was in charge would care only about his family and would abandon and overall weaken the group
    Doug wasn't leader material as he was just the nice honest guy whilst Carley was to secretive and obviously wasn't trusted (well she did keep Lee's secret from the rest of the group)
    The only other people left are Ben and Lee and Ben is too young whilst Lee focused all his efforts on protecting Clem

    No one left alive was fit to lead the group and only without conflict could the group had survived which was impossible because of both Lilly and Kenny

    Um Lilly was the only who never trusted Carley while the others trusted Carley including Lee , and i'm pretty sure Carley and Doug would refuse to be leaders because they couldn't handle the stress as a leader .

  • Thats also why Im a bit more understanding of Lilly. She's the only one who saw saw her only parent left brutally murdered in front of her eyes while she screamed and cried. That would mess up anyone's head. Why she didnt kill Kenny after this I dont know. I do agree that Ben probably didnt tell anyone because he was intimidated by Lilly who was hostile towards him from the very beginning.

  • @KCohere said: Thats also why Im a bit more understanding of Lilly. She's the only who saw saw her only parent left brutally murdered in front of her eyes while she screamed and cried. That would mess up anyone's head. Why she didnt kill Kenny after this I dont know. I do agree that Ben probably didnt tell anyone because he was intimidated by Lilly who was hostile towards him from the very beginning.

    Me either, instead she would rather kill Carley/Ben

  • @Young_Anarchy said: Yes he was stealing supplies to give to the bandits, but they HAD been leaving them alone, so it was Lee taking them away that caused them to attack, had Lilly just faced up to the fact that there were more bandits then them and she was beaten, none of it would have happend, at least not then, and duck would not have been bitten, so while Ben started the fire, Lee and Lilly droped a shit ton of gasoline on it......do you agree?


    Wow! Are you really going to blame Lilly for the outcome of the bandit attack? You really think that the same people that kidnapped Joleen's daughter and possibly raped and killed her would have just left Clem,Carly and Kat alone if the group surrendered and gave them all their supplies? Letting them leave was not an option. There is no way they would have taken the supplies and just left leaving the whole group safe and intact to leave the motor inn and go onto Savannah. They were sleeping in tents outside, i'm pretty sure that they would have taken over the motor inn even with the supplies what with the comfortable beds and all. I mean they could have had a bed room each. Lilly didn't mess up a negotiation. The negotiation was a ruse, a means of distraction so Lilly could take up a good position to free the hostages. All things considered I think they got out of the ambush alright. They lost Duck but they could have all died there or the women could have been taken away by the bandits.

    Ben was not the leader it wasn't his call to make a big negotiation like that with the bandits about food and supplies he wasn't even risking his safety to get. The main reason he made the deal with the bandits was because he was scared about what the bandits would do to his friends which they told him were their hostages. Of course Ben isn't going to tell Kenny that when Kenny is about to tear him a new one so he tells Kenny a different excuse from what he told Lee on the train which was that he was doing it so the bandits didn't attack the motor inn.

    Ben had no right taking anything without clearing it with the group's leader. Plain and simple. There is a hierarchy in group dynamics. He was a new recruit and technically still on probation. He should have asked for supplies and explained why he wanted them and been honest from the start. His sneaky behaviour caused additional stress on Lilly making her question her own sanity when she was right about supplies going missing causing her to commit voluntary manslaughter. Yes I said it voluntary manslaughter by definition is when one person intends to kill another but does so suddenly and as a result of great personal distress. (The Wrongdoer must have become very upset before the killing.)http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manslaughter

  • @Hudomonkey said: If the group hadn't been so hostile and on edge Ben may have told Lee the truth and prevented the Bandits from attacking...
    The deal with the bandits kept them safe if not long term and if Ben had been honest or Lilly had been less paranoid and the bag was either never discovered or never disturbed the bandit attack wouldn't have taken place...


    If Lee didn't find the supplies and the bandits took what was left for them they may have been o.k that day but the supplies would have run out eventually without any supplies to gather from the shopping district, since Kenny said the town was picked clean the bandits would have turned on Lee's group eventually and later might have been worse as they may not have had ammunition for their guns to fight back by then.

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    @loop hole said: If Lee didn't find the supplies and the bandits took what was left for them they may have been o.k that day but the supplies would have run out eventually without any supplies to gather from the shopping district, since Kenny said the town was picked clean the bandits would have turned on Lee's group eventually and later might have been worse as they may not have had ammunition for their guns to fight back by then.

    Precisely correct.

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