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  • Maybe Telltale is messing with us by putting this guy everywhere, I have been looking at the titles for the episode names, Crooked Mile, like the nurses rhyme?

    • Telltale knows how much we obsess over this stuff in the forums in between games. Hell, when the very first season of Sam & Max came out, people were figuring out the identity of the bad guy from the colors of the opening credits. Surely they'd know if they put the killer in the background three or four times in Episode 1, we'd notice. There has to be more to it.

  • Pretty much, that is the way everything goes, some theory's are crazy, and some make a lot of sense, but there is never enough proof until a certain point, I remember back in October when everyone was trying to figure out the identity of the radio guy in Walking Dead, and no one guessed it right.

  • Another interesting picture @Stanley Chipman provided , shows the Redhead Guy around Bigby again (at the beginning of the game) :

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    Apparently this guy really is everywhere ... however he might indeed be a taxi driver , yet that doesn't change the fact that he's following Bigby everywhere..

  • Firstly... Change that damn topic title! May be here both people who didn't play the game yet or just doesn't want to know.

    Secondly: Still, I really doubt if boy who cried wolf is a morderer here. It wouldn't be right with the comics. Just short dialogue:

    Bigby: You're lying now, because you always lie

    Jack: Not this time!

    Snow White: Jack, did you ever hear about the boy who cried wolf?

    Jack: Sure, he lives up on the seventh floor. So what?

    Snow White: Never mind.

    If he was a morderer, would he just live up in Woodland like nothing happened? I doubt it. Maybe this red-haired character is a boy who cried wolf, but I don't think he's the murderer at the same time then. Maybe - funny idea - he's fighting an old habit and follows Bigby just to be at the right time when he will be doing bad things (and after lose of his sheeps he's just sure Bigby WILL do some nasty things, sooner or later) and then cry WOLF! WOLF!, instead of crying it out of nowhere? ;P

    • Agreed on the topic title change.

      As for the quote from the comics, it could have just been a throwaway joke by Jack. And he apparently lies a lot so there's that.

      If Jack was being earnest, though, this could mean that maybe the aspects of the crimes that the Shepard was involved in wasn't severe enough to cause him to be sent away. Someone might be manipulating him, using his past with Bigby to get him to do whatever he's doing. If he's not the ultimate mastermind behind everything and if he wasn't directly involved in the murders/kidnappings, then they might not be able to pin anything major on him by the end of the game so he might just get away with what he did.

      Or we could be totally wrong. Always a possibility. :P

  • My god. That is genius i mean your theory is so good if telltale takes this down then your theory is right

  • For the sake of not splitting the conversation between two different threads, I'll recompile my dissenting arguments here.

    The way I see it, there are three huge problems with this Boy Who Cried Wolf Theory.

    1. Szczery made a great catch. The Boy Who Cried Wolf was mentioned by Snow and Jack in "March of the Wooden Soldiers" as living on the seventh floor of the Woodlands. If he had taken part in such gruesome crimes as we see in the game, it seems extremely doubtful that he'd still be living peacefully in Fabletown. So even if the red-headed guy is supposed to be the Boy Who Cried Wolf, he's not the killer. Either that, or this game has an extremely unsatisfying ending in which after the killer is revealed, he escapes any repercussions for his crimes.

    2. The red-headed guy's presence in the hallway when Bigby is chasing Dee is hugely problematic if his appearances are intended to indicate that he is following Bigby. That location had nothing to do with the investigation. It was just some random hallway that Bigby happened to chase Dee down. So he couldn't possibly have known that Bigby would be there. Had Bigby not caught Dee in Lawrence's apartment or if Dee had made a different turn trying to escape, then the red-headed guy would have missed Bigby completely.

    3. Bigby is shown in the comics as being extremely observant. While investigating the disappearance of a certain fable in "Legends in Exile," he notices all of the minor details that are wrong with the crime scene within a matter of minutes. If this is supposed to be the same guy following Bigby around all day, it's simply far too difficult to believe that Bigby wouldn't notice that he was being trailed. Especially given how obvious the guy is being about it.

    Unless someone can provide a reasonable explanation for those three problems, I think I have to stick with the theory that he's just some extra. It wouldn't be the first time that TellTale has cut corners when it comes to background characters after all.

    EDIT - Actually, I'm going to add a #4 to the list based on Piast's excellent catch below.

    1. When Bigby's cab pulls up to the bar at the beginning of the last chapter, there are two guys kneeling by a trash can. It's a little hard to see, but one of them looks like the RHG (and the other looks like Grendel). RHG couldn't be both there and driving the cab at the same time. Which would have to mean that not all of the appearances of RHG are supposed to be the same person.
    • A wizard did it.

      This is one of the few cases where that isn't a total cop-out..

      Seriously, though, the idea that Telltale would use his character model as an extra to "cut corners" is problematic itself because a lot of the scenes he was in didn't require an extra. Outside the mayors office, there were 3 people: Grendel, an unnamed extra, and the red-haired guy. If they wanted to cut corners, why not just take him out entirely? What does his presence add? When chasing Dee through the building, there was no reason for him to be there. A sofa fell against him. That's it. If he's not meant to add anything to the scene, why have him there at all?

      And Telltale doesn't really seem to have so much of a problem coming up with extra models that they would go through the trouble of showing the same one so many times. The Walking Dead zombies made sense since there were so many of them. This is one random dude. Did you see how many cop models there were at the end? If they went through the trouble of making all of those, why would they half-ass it on this guy?

      • Seriously, though, the idea that Telltale would use his character model as an extra to "cut corners" is problematic itself because a lot of the scenes he was in didn't require an extra.

        You might be surprised at how much having even a single person in the background can change a scene from looking empty and lifeless to seeming natural.

        And Telltale doesn't really seem to have so much of a problem coming up with extra models that they would go through the trouble of showing the same one so many times.

        As you mention, there were the recycled zombies in The Walking Dead. Which, as you say, makes sense. You need a lot of zombies for a game like that, and chances are, most people aren't paying too much attention to what they look like. So you can get away with it.

        Also, didn't Tales of Monkey Island have like the same two pirates on every island? I know Sam & Max kind of got around the issue by having characters who did about 15 different jobs. And that works for a goofy cartoon setting. But for a gritty noir mystery like The Wolf Among Us, you need to be a little more realistic.

        I'm not criticizing Telltale for this. They make small episodic games. And they do it extremely well, so who really cares if they reuse some minor characters that aren't that important to the main game?

        Did you see how many cop models there were at the end? If they went through the trouble of making all of those, why would they half-ass it on this guy?

        That's a fair point. It could simply be because the cops were all standing next to each other. So they had to create different models for them, or else it would be ridiculously obvious that Bigby was standing behind five clones of the same character.

        It could also be that they created the cops first, and then development started falling behind schedule, so they just threw in the RHG model that they had finished everywhere they needed an extra just so they could get the first episode out.

        Of course, it's also entirely possible that RHG is just some inside joke at Telltale. Like how Doug from TWD was based on an actual guy named Doug on their IT team.

        • Also, didn't Tales of Monkey Island have like the same two pirates on every island?

          It did, and that was one of the biggest criticisms for the first couple episodes of Tales. And it was a criticism that Telltale took to heart and did its best to fix in later episodes. It seems weird that they'd go back to making that mistake again now.

      • Also if he is just an extra, they why isn't the other guy outside of the office used too. The only character who seems to pop up all over the place is the Ginger. But then that would lead into the other theory where the guy with the hat is involved. The ginger's model being reused several times while the hatted man is not reused again is suspect. Combine that with his jeans matching the color of the fabric found outside, that there is a patch on one of the legs of his pants with what apears to be blood around it and that he is the only one of the three inline who seems startled by Bigby's approach and he looks more and more like a more likely candidate for the killer

    • Meanwhile, in Telltale...

      -I told you, you lazy dumbasses, to use more models! Now everybody is making theories on that!

      -We are sorry, boss... We thought....

      -I know what you thought! 'Nobody notices, nobody notices!' Well, nobody notices my ass! Now think again and find some way to come out with face from that!!

      -Well.... Maybe we'll really make him a murderer?

      -Pffff...... Fine.

      1. the point is that no murders have happened, it is a trick to discredit Bigby
      2. that may have been an arranged meetup point, or merely the only coincidence so far
      3. the guy is a taxi driver (shepard) it is the perfect cover for hiding in plane sight

      obviously these are just theories and innocent until proven guilty and all, but i don't think he is the main villain he is just involved in the plot, and therefore he could easily be a free man later in the comics

      • the point is that no murders have happened, it is a trick to discredit Bigby

        Even if no one actually died, faking someone's death in this manner is still a pretty serious offense. Not to mention the fact that now the mundie police are apparently getting involved, and that's a huge transgression in Fabletown. If this guy is involved in Faith's or Snow's disappearances in any way, even if only as an accomplice, there's no way he'd still be hanging out with all the other fables in the Woodlands like nothing had ever happened.

        Now, it may still be that he actually is the Boy Who Cried Wolf. But if that's the case, I don't think he had anything to do with the murders.

        that may have been an arranged meetup point, or merely the only coincidence so far

        An arranged meetup point with who? Dee? Dee doesn't seem terribly concerned with RHG when he passes him. I mean, he drops a sofa on the guy. And why would Dee run to his meetup point when he's trying to escape from Bigby and risk leading Bigby right to him? He's clearly more concerned with trying to get away from Bigby, not running to any particular location. Also, if RHG is involved, why would he arrange a meetup in the building right around the corner from one of the crime scenes? Wouldn't anywhere else in New York really be more subtle?

        If it's a coincidence, then that's just terrible writing on TellTale's part, and I'll be extremely disappointed with them. Besides, isn't the theory that this guy is following Bigby? So what, he follows Bigby in the morning, then decides to stop and go hang out at this building behind Lawrence's place, he happens to still run into Bigby anyway even though he wasn't trying, and then he goes right back to following Bigby to the Trip Trap? That's kind of a tough one to swallow.

        the guy is a taxi driver (shepard) it is the perfect cover for hiding in plane sight

        Admittedly, #3 is more subjective, but I just have trouble believing it. Bigby surely saw the guy when he was getting into the cab. He would have recognized him as the guy who's been trailing him all day.

        It would be like writing a Superman story in which Supes is foiled by a locked door. That would never happen because he's Superman. Superman can bust through any door. And Bigby notices things that the bad guys don't want him to notice. That's just part of the character.

        I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I actually kind of liked this theory myself. But any theory has to match the facts of the case, not the other way around. And so far, there are just too many points where this theory doesn't line up with what we know. I'm still open to the possibility. But these are some pretty serious problems, in my opinion, that would need to be explained somehow before I could go along with the BWCW Theory.

        • the facts are that the (presumed) boy who cried wolf shows up very often, obviously that could all just be a coincidence, but he has the motive to be convinced by the real criminal to be involved in a plot against Bigby, that doesn't mean he faked the murders himself or kidnaped the women himself, or if indeed they are real murders (unlikely) that doesn't mean he committed them, he may not have even delivered the heads, he is just a cog in the machine in the plot against bigby.

          i don't think he is the killer so i actually disagree with the title of this thread, but if i were bigby (which i am when i play) i would suspect he was involved but needed at least a little proof to act on it.

          maybe in future episodes Bigby will finally notice/acknowledge vocally that he shows up to often and interrogate him, and he will lie and lie until he finally tells the truth and he gets a lesser punishment for helping in the end

  • Interesting theories but another reason we might be seeing Ginger Guy everywhere is because of cheap glamour spells. Toad was complaining how expensive and of poor quality the spells have become.

  • I like you theory, and can go with it a lot of the way, but my problem with it is: It this is a trick to get Bigby to "cry wolf" then snow has to be involved in framing him, or else how is she gonna return from the dead and say that she was never dead and it was all his fault? And the same with faith. So even though i agree that he plays a part, I think that declaring him as the killer is way too soon. Just look how many fable entries we still don't have, but nice to see I am not only one who tried looking through every little thing.

  • This is great evidence but it's telltale. They knew people would be talking about the boy. it's going to have a twist ending.It's someoneyou wouldn't suspect.

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