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Episode Appoach Unfinished

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Hey Telltale, I want to start out by telling you that I'm really encouraged by your new company and impressed that you chose the "Indie" gaming approach. I think it will really pay off for everyone!

I just completed Boneville and I wasn't happy about it at all. I was disappointed at the games length. I think that you guys have a real responsibility being the first true adopters to the 'Episodic Approach' to gaming. I just wanted to share with you some things that went through my head upon completing your $20 game in 90min.

I think all the developers agree that $20 per episode is the magic number, and that the episode's length is fairly arbitrary. As a value concious consumer, I can tell you that I compare game investments to other entertainment investments and upon completing Boneville it made me wish that I had just gone to the movies instead. In fact, it made the movie theater look like a VALUE!

I enjoyed Boneville minus some audio crackling issues so that would normally put me in the 'continue the series' boat but I will not be following Bone's journey unless you address the fact that 1-2 hrs a $20 game does not make. I especially feel this way since the server I downloaded from was a demo host whose bandwith you aren't paying.

Please keep in mind that you haven't lost me yet! I totally WANT to be your biggest fan. I've enjoyed the games this team has developed way to much! But I'm saying its too short - in fact, half the length, I expected and I urge you to heed my warning. After all, episodic content requires a reinvestment on the part of each player which is going to be quite a tall order.

Good luck!!!

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    Anonymous

    Perfectly put, couldn't have said it any better myself!

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    Anonymous

    I totally agree. too short compared to the cost. And I had a problem with my mouse going "off screen" while doing the running part. Lost controll over my chararcter.

  • What movies are you seeing that are so great they are worth $20? Here in San Francisco a typical movie is $9.50 - so for me and my wife to go together about $20. I can count on one hand the number of decent movies (in the last few years) we have enjoyed from beginning to end and then proceeded to talk about for hours afterward on one hand. This game did that for us bottom line. A truly fun experience that I plan on enjoying again with my family and friends.

    It was a steal for $20 not to mention the fact that it is a huge investment in the future of a truly excellent group of game makers. What would be a fair price? $10, $15? I am happy to pay the $20 knowing that EVERY CENT is reaching telltale's coffers, and not some video game retailer and distributor's.

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    Anonymous

    [quote]What movies are you seeing that are so great they are worth $20? Here in San Francisco a typical movie is $9.50 - so for me and my wife to go together about $20. I can count on one hand the number of decent movies (in the last few years) we have enjoyed from beginning to end and then proceeded to talk about for hours afterward on one hand.[/quote]

    I for one think this is a mute point. After all, your complaint is one that has resulted in one of the worst summers for the box office in recent history. To me, that means that the movie theaters have reached a similar brick wall - they cost more than viewers believe the content is worth.

    Unlike movies, which are a self-contained story. Boneville is an episode, which means that the story goes on. I think my main point in this thread is that it SHOULD have gone on in the first installment. Not to the end obviously, but far enough so that people are talking about how they can't wait to find out how the plot develops not about where the rest of the game is!

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    [quote]What movies are you seeing that are so great they are worth $20?[/quote]

    Let's compare apples with apples. Though one could compare videogames with movies because they are both entertainment, I think it is better to compare Bone with other videogames. And it is true to say that the price over length ration was high compared to other adventure games.
    But we don't know what is Telltale's policy on the price of future episodes. For example, maybe we'll get a discount for the next ones if we have already bought an episode or something like this.

    [quote]I am happy to pay the $20 knowing that EVERY CENT is reaching telltale's coffers, and not some video game retailer and distributor's.[/quote]

    That is the other problem. When you buy a video game in a store, you pay $45-$50 for a full length game. On this amount you know that a certain amount (I don’t know how much) goes for the shop owner, the publisher, transport/shipping, box/manual etc. So what is the amount that really goes to the developers per sold game?
    With bone, we pay $20 for the license, but we must also pay the bandwidth to download it (it may be cheap in the US but not here), battle with an inefficient digital key system print the manual ourselves…
    With the digital distribution system I was hoping that we, users, would beneficiate of small distribution cost. I was wrong…

  • "mute" point ????? :)) you just made my day. It's moot point. Anyway, I hope that someone at telltale will respond soon. Maybe this "episode" was just as much as they could get out and they felt they needed to release something soon or loose the hype. I'm not happy about the price for the length either but it's good to see that people haven't given up on telltale yet. I hope to see some people from telltale comment on the first episode of bone instead of lurk on the boards.

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    Honestly if they dont comment soon, peole will not give them a second look. Reviews are going out criticising the game length as we speak (gamerankings.com) and I know everyone I know who love these types of games would never shell out 20 dollars for a 2 hour game.

    Simple.. the total for the 4 episodes can only cost a little more than the same type of game in shops. The SUPPORT comes from the fact we are paying a 'little' more for a software ONLY game too. basically the total has to be around the 50 to 55 dollar mark for all 4 parts and only if each part is roughly 4 hours. So they need to increase length and reduce price.

    Heck the guy who suggested the current pricing plan without indicating the future pricing plan should be fired since this is make or break for Telltale. They need to reveal their future pricing plan NOW so people can understand that they wont need to pay 20 dollars for all the parts because simply.. it is the ultimate turnoff. And people are fickle.. they don't come back once burned.

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    [quote]Honestly if they dont comment soon, peole will not give them a second look. Reviews are going out criticising the game length as we speak (gamerankings.com) and I know everyone I know who love these types of games would never shell out 20 dollars for a 2 hour game.

    Simple.. the total for the 4 episodes can only cost a little more than the same type of game in shops. The SUPPORT comes from the fact we are paying a 'little' more for a software ONLY game too. basically the total has to be around the 50 to 55 dollar mark for all 4 parts and only if each part is roughly 4 hours. So they need to increase length and reduce price.

    Heck the guy who suggested the current pricing plan without indicating the future pricing plan should be fired since this is make or break for Telltale. They need to reveal their future pricing plan NOW so people can understand that they wont need to pay 20 dollars for all the parts because simply.. it is the ultimate turnoff. And people are fickle.. they don't come back once burned.[/quote]


    DUDE!!! There are ***********9********** *NINE* chapters in the book - this is only based on chapter one/book one. They could double up the others to increase length - this could be good. But there could be 8 x $20 to go - that's WAY TOO MUCH MONEY unless it's total play length was over 25 hours - thats like two new full games from the store - through digital distro, should be either less or a lot more game in there.

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    Anonymous

    I think the length of the game is less important than the quality and entertainment value. Hence, I would be much happier in my investment in Psychonauts than some hack and slash rpg or mmorpg or shooting game.

    However, as a college student, $20 is a large investment in a game, for me. I'm much happier paying $10 or $15 usually but I will pay more in certain circumstances(I don't think I've ever spent more than $40 on a game. Between $5 and $15 is my usual game purchase price.). I love telltale, but for $20, I could find a game that I've been wanting to play that might be a better investment(e.g. Beyond Good and Evil, Total Annihilation, Postal 2, Lugaru, some of the gish games. The last 3 have Linux ports, and I've been using Linux increasingly lately. Coincidently, if there was a Bone linux port, I would probably buy the game even if I did think it was too short.)

    If the technology that goes into the first installment is the same as the technology in the next installments, that I would imagine that the game should be less work and therefore be either longer or cost less.

    I haven't played the game yet(I probably will eventually by $20 in not a price I take lightly. I need to buy some new pants) so I can't say whether I think it was worth it, but I can say that the demo seemed very short and I imagine that could be a sign of things to come.

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    I will not be following Bone's journey unless you address the fact that 1-2 hrs a $20 game does not make.[/quote]

    As a hard core adventure fan, I had quite a dilemma whether to invest in the series or not. While on one hand I am keen on encouraging this talanted group of developers, on the other I find the price outrageous.

    I don't mind investing into an ongoing project before the final product is finished, but I want to know how much will be the total for the full series.

    On one hand, paying per episode gives power to the consumer. If the entertainment value of the follow-up episde goes South, one can simply choose to discontinue his purchasing "subscription".

    The down side is that there is great uncertainty about the cost/value of the finished product and whether it will get finished at all.

    Overall, I agree that the marketing genius, who proposed the pricing/distribution model, should get hung by his feet for a month. While the online distribution model is fabulous, the shady pricing plan will sure keep most gamers a respectable distance away.

    After putting all the fact together, I've decided not to pay for the game until TellTale clarify their long term pricing strategy. I guess that my position is in line with the prevalent feeling amongs most of the hard-core adventure gamers community. So, the question is, if you guys have managed to repel even the most loyal adventure fans, how do you expect to attract the larger gaming crowd to this botique geanra and stay afloat?

    Overal, I feel positive about TellTale, but ain't jumping on the bandwagon to nowhere until you get your business act together!

    Get to work guys!

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