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  • the unnamed senator did sleep with lee wife so that will send most men into a rage some cases it causes murder or a beat down of a life time

  • I think screwing his wife would automatically put him in Lee's list of bad people.

    • "Because he was screwing my wife" doesn't exactly sound like enough justification to say to a little girl without so much as batting an eyelid that he was a bad man who deserved to be put down. I'm more inclined to think Lee knew of the senator to some capacity before murdering him.

      • If you tell Clem that Lee killed someone in episode 3 (not, "I was on my way to prison", but "I killed someone"), Lee says that "it was a bad thing and their's no explaining it." Additionally, if you tell Katjaa directly that you killed someone, she asks, "would he have killed you?" Lee says he didn't know.

        Either way, even though the senator was an asshole, maybe Lee does regret killing him.

  • Well sleeping with a married person does indeed make you a bad person

    But I agree I would have liked some more in depth information on Lee's past, it would be nice to know exactly how and why it went down. Perhaps Clem will run into someone who knew Lee pre zombies in season 2 that can shed some light on Lee's past running up to the zombies

  • This is a question I asked myself while playing. Lee is a very friendly, well-adjusted character. He is also very intelligent, sober and has a clear intellect. He is a normal guy and not the kind of person falling into a deep rage to even kill a guy JUST because he screwed his wife. The senator being not only an asshole but an abysmally evil person is the only explanation for me how Lee could crack up this much. As a university professor Lee has very good knowledge of human nature, thus he must have known about the senator very well. I reckon he knew something about him others haven't (besides the sex with his wife), something crucial to warrant the murder. We can just speculate: the senator is a politician, and politicians are often "all show, no subtance", preaching water, drinking wine. We know Lee was into History and Social Studies and I think he is kind of the person having a great sense of justice and despising false Messiahs. Just thinking.

    • Do you think we as a whole take the stance of Lee couldn't just fly off the handle like that because we played as him and grew an emotional attachment to the character. Plus we played as Lee so we almost think of Lee as an extension of ourselves and its something you couldn't see yourself doing? Killing someone because they slept with your significant other is at all out of the "norm" it happens on the daily in real life and it doesn't make you a bad person, it would make Lee a guy who was put into a crappy emotionally charged situation where he acted in the worst possible manner imaginable. "Normal" nice people snap like this all the time

      • Lee loses his temper a couple of times with Kenny. If you fight him in episode three Lee loses his temper if he wins. The choices they give Lee in episode five when Kenny talks about him being bitten were stupid for Lee. Kenny is right, but Lee is in denial even though I accepted that it meant death and had chose Kenny to take care of Clem in episode 4 as soon he calls lee and clem family. I saw Lee and Kenny as close as any brothers in the end. They were protecting the most innocent characters in the game. Kenny saw Lee as a good man he trusted with Duck so much he could take Lee at his word after he tries to tell him about his past. Kenny isn't interested in hearing more about his past.

        • "Kenny is right..." It was a horrible time to bring up that fact, though, especially since he is causing panic. He was right, if he turned, they would be in danger, but I wouldn't have someone end me if I'm not truly dead, that would suck bad.

          • The game lets everyone create a unique exerpience, and this is one of the parts that can seem really out of place for some. I can understand how some players can see it the way you do. A lot depends on how you view Kenny at that point in the game. That changes how players view the situation in a pretty dramatic way. He might sound hostile to some, but it didn't come off that way at all to me. After getting the positive response from Kenny at the end of episode four, along with everything else from that point didn't fit with Lee's reaction. The calm and respectful way Lee and Kenny interact with each toward the end is a lot different . They don't argue the same way as before(including Kenny's reaction to finding out the truth if Lee hides the bite), and are obviously in a much different stage of their friendship than anytime before.

            Lee even shows he's accepted his fate when he ask Kenny to make sure that Clem wears a life-jacket when they get out on the boat since he doesn't think she will like it. He acknowledges that he understands his fate and has accepted the reality of what that means by saying that. He wasn't in denial. I understand what they were trying to do though. After it was over and I told Kenny I was sorry and he resonded something like "It's okay. I get it.", I saw they were trying to show Lee in denial. It just came way too late in the story to work that way for me.

    • "Lee is a very friendly, well-adjusted character. He is also very intelligent, sober and has a clear intellect."

      Yeah i don't know... i mean i kind of agree with you but only because that's how i played my lee. The way i see it is, there're 2 versions of lee one before the outbreak (how he actually was) and after the outbreak (player version of lee), that said i think it's hard to know how lee actually reacted in that scenario, without an actual flashback.

      Maybe he was really impulsive/obssesive and changed after the dead started walking.

  • Lee towards the end of the season begins to have a real obsession with Clem and I could easily see him in the same emotional state in regards to his ex-wife.

    When fighting Andy, Lee will constantly punch him outside of the players control despite him having the clear advantage. The reflection in the puddle of Lee is a classic use to show a 'what have I become' situation.

    And later when confronting the Stranger Lee will again have the option of killing him just because he took a person he was obsessed with from him.

    In regards to his obsessive behavior is Lee really any different to Loretta or the Stranger when it comes to Clem. He is more than capable of killing another human when it involves his loved ones, a nice alpha male behavior.

    • I killed both brothers because I felt that letting a serial killing cannibal go free was irresponsible. Lee wasn't obessed with Clem either. He was taking care of her like a real man. He was being harrassed by strangers in the end. Kenny never questioned Lee's role or behavior with Clem because it's not an obsession anymore than he had obsession with his son. A stranger like Vernon asking Lee to take her off his hands is so out of place it makes him sound like a weird pervert.

      • Well, if you spared Danny, he's in a room stuck in a beartrap beside an armed psychopath whose father was killed partially because of the St. John brothers. And if you spared Andy, he doesn't want to get up, he just wants to let himself get killed by the zombies that are now overrunning the farm. So, it's more like they both die anyway(even if Lily didn't kill Danny, he's going to die of blood loss or get eaten by a walker, whichever happens first), but Lee gets to decide if he's the one to kill them.

        • Whatever decisions you made the first time you play is what matters. It changes the reason behind the choice If you let him go before you knowing what happens and it has nothing to with how you made the choice. It's a lot different.

  • Well, sleeping with a man's wife will any man into a raging and murdering person. I would like to learn more about Lee's part and the senator and Lee's wife.

  • You do see a bit of lee's rage during the game (like all good survivors) him pushing Lilly into the Rv, him threatening Ben in ep 4. Those are just a few you cant choose either there are plenty when Lee can be more aggressive.

    Honestly it's because most people choose the very nice option in every dialogue that Lee is seen more in that way.

  • You never get all the details of what happened for obvious reasons. You know Lee caught his wife cheating after leaving his teaching job at the university early because he wasn't feeling well, and it lead to a violent altercation. I assume Lee lost control and acted on emotion. When he's ask if the guy he killed would have killed him he can't answer. Lee uses facial expressions that show he takes responsibility for his actions, but that he's good person who is full of regret and guilt for all the pain he caused his family.

  • I got the feeling Lee was framed for the murder, and because the victim had a relationship with his wife it was near impossible to deny it so he more or less accepted guilt for it. It seems very out of character for Lee to actually murder someone, in whatever state he may have been in. Because if he would really have killed before he should have been much less troubled offing people after the apocalypse who actually endangered his or Clem's survival.

    But perhaps i read something in it that wasn't there.

  • I wonder if a relative of the senator will have a lucky run-in with Clementine and fill us in with what exactly happened between the senator, Lee, and his wife?

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