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    I think the wolf among us was brilliant, short but brilliant.

  • How exactly were people forced to spell things out for Bigby? Do you have any examples? I honestly don't think that's true at all.

    Sure, maybe the guy had to work for it a bit, but he still figures things out on his own (as much as can reasonably be expected). If he just magically somehow solved the whole thing from the very beginning we wouldn't have had a game.

    • Not forced.

      But telling Bigby how things went down is seemingly Nerissa's entire role throughout. Crooked Man does the same thing. So does Georgie. Most of the mystery is solved by people simply telling Bigby about it, instead of Bigby figuring it out through special detective skills or whatever.

      • So what, this isn't a detective game and Bigby can be tricked, that has happened with him in comics.

        • So Bigby is a shit detective.

        • When did Bigby ever get tricked?

          • Whole Nerissa/Faith thing, fact that Georgie was the murderer, there was no hint that it could be he.

            • The Nerrisa/Faith thing isn't him getting tricked. He simply didn't know the information, and never really formed an opinion.

              If you listen outside of the door at the end of E4, you can clearly hear Georgie say "stop laughing at me". I immediately became convinced he was the murderer when I heard that. Even in the instance that you don't figure out who the murderer is on your own, that is completely different from getting tricked.

              • If that was enough for Bigby he would try to arrest Georgie. Fact is Bigby didn't know what the hell was going on right till the end when it was explained to him by Georgie, Vivian and Nerissa/Faith. xChryst probably wanted this to be a detective where you have to find the killer by placing the evidence and not someone telling you who it really was, most people disagree and think that ep5 was awesome.

                • Yeah, that's more or less it. I don't even mean this has to be a game where the gameplay involves detective work. But the story itself could have been driven by Bigby figuring out things.

                  The game barely shows Bigby figuring anything out and mostly is just there to be a big tough guy to beat other people up.

                • How do we know he wouldn't have tried to arrest Georgie? I mean, he only makes the connection at the start of E5.. and obviously things are already hitting the fan at that point.

                  My Bigby called Georgie out on it, and it turns out he was correct. So no, Bigby did not really need to be told it was Georgie. And even if he actually didn't have a clue what was going on, that has nothing to do with being tricked or not anyway.

      • That isn't really 100% true. For the most part, Bigby solves all the major things on his own. My Bigby figured out Georgie was the killer all on his own. The Crooked Man didn't tell him anything he didn't already know. My Bigby already knew everything about the ribbons, with the exception that Vivian was the person the spell was binded to. He also didn't know anything about Nerrisa's information at the very end, but that's understandable as it was essentially impossible for him to know. The guy can't mind read. Just because he gets told a few details doesn't mean he is a poor detective.

        • You are conflating what you're guesses as a player with Bigby's knowledge. No, Bigby doesn't know what the ribbons did until Nerissa spells it out for him. Bigby was never shown figuring out that Georgie killed the girls. That was an ass pull by him, and a savvy multiple choice answer by the players.

          This isn't about reading minds. This is about him actually deducing stuff.

          • Nerrissa couldn't even tell Bigby anything, so how exactly did she tell him about the ribbons? Bigby pieced it together on his own, or at least as much as could reasonably be expected. Obviously if he had zero help or evidence to look at, there would be no way for him to figure anything about.

            Figuring out that Georgie was the killer was not just a random shot in the dark or anything. If you listen at the door at the end of E4, you hear Georgie say "stop laughing at me". Given that, the likelihood of him being the murderer goes way up. There really was no way to have a complete concrete idea on who the murderer was. Literally none. Your expectations are a little unrealistic.

            • Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.

              There was no "complete concrete idea on who the murdered was" because Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.

              • Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.

                If Bigby is such a shit detective as you say. Then he wouldn't be able to piece together those "obvious hints" to figure things out. Now, would he?.

                Note:That is if you mean shit as incompetent, which I don;t see any other way you could.

              • Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.

                What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed..

                Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.

                Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.

                • What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed.

                  Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.

                  Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.

                  If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.

                  • Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.

                    It ultimately does not matter if it was obvious or not obvious, so I'm not going to argue the point. He still figured out what he needed to.

                    I'm not saying it was a great demonstration of Bigby's detective skills at all. Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.

                    If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.

                    Want to elaborate on that?

                    • Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.

                      No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to tell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"

                      Want to elaborate on that?

                      Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..

                      • No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to tell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"

                        Uhhh no. Bigby was the one who brought up the ribbons first, not Nerrisa. He made the connection even before Nerrissa asked him if he liked her ribbon or not.

                        Also, it is entirely up to the player to try and remove the ribbon or not, so insulting Bigby's intelligence in the instance that he tries to remove the ribbon isn't fair at all.

                        I don't understand why you think Bigby needs to be coming up with all of the answers by himself. That isn't realistic or really possible at all.

                        Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..

                        But you haven't given any examples.

      • Usually polices solve crimes by interrogating the suspects, find out things from them and then arrest the real criminals.

        But they also look for clues like Bigby did in every episode and he solved the crime, so I don't see how's he is a shitty detective?

        • I'd love to see actual interrogation/cross examination. Tight lipped suspects getting caught in lies by the smart detective. The game instead just has people offering Bigby information.

          • Woodsman and dee?

            People wanted to help by telling things but Bigby had to figure some things by himself too and we had 4 what place to investigate first choises. Game left a cliffhanger ending so people can wonder and maybe solve the whole thing in their minds, so why don't you try it, you wanted this to be a detective game so now YOU can play a detective.

    • Here is one:

      The Crookedman tells Bigby who killed Faith and Lily.

  • Bigby has a 'hot' head and 'big' heart thats probably not the combination best detective possess, i dont know how he fares in comics (since i never read it) but surely he learned alot by all this and hence he does much better in comics.

  • I agree with you on one thing: we didn't have concrete evidence of CM being the mastermind of killing Faith and Lily. I realized it as soon as he said it. Everything was hearsay, and not only that, but Georgie and Vivian both died and Nerissa made a little white lie. We all knew he was guilty, but to actually prove it would've been hard and a lost battle if Nerissa didnt randomly pop up. We prob couldn't pin him on the murders, but of the enslavement of Fables making glamours if we showed the crowd Johanns butcher shop.

    • That whole trial is idiotic. It's ridiculous that it's done immediately. The two fucking "prosecutors" haven't even debriefed yet.

      It could have been redeemed if we saw a forehead slap from Snow. "Oh right, we should have brought witnesses, evidence, got our stories straight..."

      Why were the butcher and the witch in the "crowd" instead of witnesses for the prosecution? Even Beast, though he would be useless.

      For people who have lived in the mundane world for centuries, they seem to be totally unaware of typical mafia shit. Like how the head is always protected by several layers of plausible deniability,

      And for comics readers, why the hell is imprisonment even on the table? They execute motherfuckers for less.

      • They have had worse trials in the comics. I don't want to spoil anything for those who haven't read it yet (really isn't a big deal though), but you know what I'm talking about.

  • The first episode was a master piece. I expected more from the season, specially the finale. I wonder if the story was better before they had to rewrite it. I guessing so.

  • I think there is gonna be a season 2, so maybe Telltale will make it even better?

  • shitty detective ?

    right so using some tv shows as an example

    csi series: investigating scene of the crime for evidence whilst wearing normal day/ posh clothes bringing in their own contaminants but wear gloves and then follow the leads generated = good detectives bigby therefore is good.

    murder she wrote and bones : interviewing suspects talking to them, even flat out telling them how they think it happened to the actual killer to get them to openly boast about it... = good trickery bigby gets another good point.

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    detectives use any means or angle they find to get the truth or the killer or the perp. it is not limited to their own skills but how the suspects behave/act upon being suspected...

    • Unfortunately I can't comment on those shows since I haven't watched them.

      Bigby has not demonstrated much of his skills, is my point. How Bigby got to the perp didn't exactly showcase his brilliant crime solving abilities. It showed he can beat up people pretty good, and generally be an intimidating thug, though.

      • well you should watch them..see how other pro's do it.

        but he has shown his skill with limited success was my point

        but i can see you're sticking to your guns regardless of how many blanks your firing back at us..

        • I can see you rather snark than continue a discussion which I completely understand.

          • well if i'm snarking then you've been jumping it like it was on offer at a yard sale...

            • Well I like my yard sale like I like my coffee: covered in bees.

              • sounds pointlessly painful oh wait..

                • I agree with you Milosuperspesh. All xChryst is doing is instigating his holier-than-thou opinion without making any real points other than he personally didn't like the game. I can forgive not liking the game, he has that right. But he does not have the right to come here and bully anyone who did enjoy it.

                  • thanks ! have a big huge like !

                  • I think xChryst offers many good examples (although often colorfully stated).

                    • Demonstrates clues that the player picks up on but Bigby seems oblivious to.
                    • Comments regarding the simplistic nature of the interrogation
                    • Pointing out Bigby’s failure to utilize the many witnesses surrounding him during the trial

                    He clearly mentions that he is happy for those who enjoyed the game.

                    • those witnesses had already made their feelings and thoughts clear when we met them before what's the point in repeating dialogue?

                      not to mention them screaming at snow/bigby to kill him/hold him in prison..

                      the interrogation being simple dialogue options, why is that so bad ? why make it any harder ? oh sure people like challenges but these games are about the story if you want a challenge go play super meat boy...

                      you have two choices let him talk or kill him snow had made her thoughts on violence pretty clear,

                      it's another reason why i don't usually get involved with these threads as much.. some people come on here talk shit and then get all bent out of shape cos people dare to disagree with them..

                      all it does is cause pointless fights or arguments that go nowhere...

                    • The condescending undertone of his "happy for those who enjoyed the game" did not go unnoticed by me. And xChryst forgets that it's a game about the Big Bad Wolf. Let me emphasis that again. It is a GAME about the BIG BAD WOLF. The fact that he is a detective isn't the center of the story, it's just the drive of it. It is not a detective story with the big bad wolf, it is the the big bad wolf in a detective story. And I'll tell you the true problem Telltale has. Although ever since I visited this forum, it seems the other problem it has is its players. Him and the user RafaelioOlazerai are so egotistical and self centered that they feel that if the game didn't follow suit with how they wanted it to go, it's crap. Do you notice how the first episode was "amazing" to them? But then by the time episode 5 comes out it was horrible to them? That is exactly the problem this game and Telltale has with it's monthly release of episodes. If the game came out as a whole, none of these complaints would be around. But since users have the time to brain storm and come up with their own "theories" and ideas about about how the game should be/go, it becomes a permanent imprint of "This is the one and only correct way". So when it turns out the game is not the way they imagined or wanted it to go, it's suddenly crap and not good.

                      • and usually those peoples idea's suck balls anyway...

                      • I was not trying to be condescending. I really am glad a lot of you liked the game. I did not indend to sound egotistical and I apologize that my posts comes off as that,

                        The notion that I try to bully anyone to seeing things my way however is false. I will defend my opinion but It ultimately does not matter to me if you agree.

                        Oh this story about the Big Bad Wolf? This is allegedly the same Big Bad Wolf from the source material. The Big Bad Wolf that has an established personality and history. Not my or your own personal concept of the Big Bad Wolf.

                        Okay, that last sentence I was trying to be a little condescending.

                        • You paid the 25 dollars, you played the game, and it won't change just because you didn't like it. So be as condescending as you want (pitiful attempt by the way). Telltale still comes out victorious. And I did too, because I have read the books and I still enjoyed the game. Despite it's flaws, which I won't deny their were, it was still an enjoyable experience. And no entitled whiny forum user will change my mind.

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