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Does the Scumm Bar website work for you?

posted by Important-Looking Pirate on - last edited - Viewed by 309 users

This was one of best MI sites back in the day and my personal favourite (http://www.scummbar.com) and they've brought it back (kind of) but I can't seem to click any of the links. Is this a problem with my browser or are other users experiencing problems?

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  • You mean like you can't click on anything? yeah got that with IE, but it works with Firefox.

  • www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com

    This site will save you ever having to ask that question again.

    EDIT: Didn't see it was the links that weren't working, I assumed it was the whole site. Still, the above link is a handy tool regardless.

  • you just have to click on the right where it says old site, old stuff

    its confusing yeah, took me also a little to figure

  • You're right it says this at the top:
    Wait! This doesn't look right! This site does not support Internet Explorer 6. IE6 is ancient, and even when it was brand spanking new -- in 2001 -- it was less than a stellar browser. Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 or Firefox and you'll be a much happier person!
    Amateurs!

    Don't they know Maxthon is the greatest thing ever and that it runs best using IE6 version Trident (well I think it does anyway)?

    (I have IE8 installed in standalone mode, it works better that way).

    Oh and the webpage uses the XHTML doctype, but it is sent as an HTML file (not as an XML file) plus it contains errors so it can't be phrased as XML anyway! Amateurs! Don't they know that XHTML is only for XML and not HTML? In an XHTML document the first line has to be <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> and then the next line is the DTD.

    http://schneegans.de/sv/?url=http://www.scummbar.com/tx/

    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.scummbar.com/tx/

    So you're right BTW, the website code is very poorly written. And the links do not work in IE6 (I just tried) so to everyone else who replied first read his problem, he didn't say the site was down - just that it didn't function correctly. The fact that IE6 is old is no excuse not to support it. You can connect IE 3 to my new website (or OffByOne or any other primitive browser)... and while the design looks rather simple for now I can update and expand it at anytime (it's entirely controlled by the stylesheet)... this is how you're supposed to design a webpage:

    http://scummgames.net/testpage.htm

    And here, this is what a real XHTML document looks like (don't worry if it doesn't open in old browsers, it's not supposed to because XHTML isn't HTML it's XML and old browsers don't understand what to do with XML):

    http://scummgames.net/testpage.php

    It's not that hard is it? In conclusion: To the SCUMM Bar: If you'd written your HTML correctly it wouldn't have issues in any browser.

  • @Aractus said: You're right it says this at the top:
    Wait! This doesn't look right! This site does not support Internet Explorer 6. IE6 is ancient, and even when it was brand spanking new -- in 2001 -- it was less than a stellar browser. Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 or Firefox and you'll be a much happier person!
    Amateurs!


    Maybe, but they're absolutely right that IE6 needs to be nuked from orbit, just to be sure.

    (And if Maxthon has troubles with the newer Trident engines I'll gladly nuke it alongside IE6... IE7 has been out for 2 and a half years now.)

    np: Phantom Ghost - The Charge Of A Light Brigade (Thrown Out Of Drama School)

  • @Aractus said: The fact that IE6 is old is no excuse not to support it.

    OK, you just triggered a rant.
    I'm aware this rant may offend you, but if it does let me assure you that you deserve it.

    The problem with IE 6 isn't that it's old. Old applications aren't necessarily bad. However applications that just plain don't work properly are.

    Imagine you were trying to guide someone through the process of baking a cake. How would you like it if the person who you were trying to guide didn't understand instructions properly, and tipped the sugar down the sink when you asked them to weight it, and broke the eggs on their face when you asked them to break them into a cup?
    OK, now imagine that this person is one person in a class of people, and you're trying to guide a whole class of people through baking a cake. Everyone interprets you instructions correctly, apart from this one guy. Yet you can only give one set of instructions to the whole class, and at the end you need everyone to end up with a nicely baked cake.

    This is what it is like trying to support IE 6.

    Of course, most people still do support it. Many people access the internet from their place of work or an internet cafe, and have no choice to use IE6 because of corporate resistance to change. (After all, they are not the ones suffering, so why should they expend effort to get the latest version?)

    Don't count this to be the case forever, however.

  • For all that IE6 nostalgia: http://www.saveie6.com/ :rolleyes:
    @Pirateguybrush said: www.downforeveryoneorjustme.comTry typing www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com in there.:D

  • I should stop being so cynical. At first I thought this was just shameless plugging! :$

    P.S. People who are still in love with IE6 remind me of scientists who still use abaci instead of calculators "cos those pesky 'memory' and 'times' functions are like so last year"

  • @Chris1 said: OK, you just triggered a rant.
    I'm aware this rant may offend you, but if it does let me assure you that you deserve it.

    The problem with IE 6 isn't that it's old. Old applications aren't necessarily bad. However applications that just plain don't work properly are.

    I'm a web developer - I might only be a hobbyist web developer, but I assure you my HTML and CSS coding is the most professional there is. Trust me, to say your page doesn't work in a web browser and then to not even write it in a correct web format (ie why webmasters should not use XHTML) is a complete contradiction.

    One of the reasons I use IE6 is so I can benchmark any page to it easily (IE7 and 8 in standalone mode allow me to test any page in the newer versions too mind you).
    Imagine you were trying to guide someone through the process of baking a cake. How would you like it if the person who you were trying to guide didn't understand instructions properly, and tipped the sugar down the sink when you asked them to weight it, and broke the eggs on their face when you asked them to break them into a cup?
    Imagine trying to explain to "webmasters" that 99%+ of all pages using the XHTML doctype are not true XHTML format (ie they're not XML)? Imagine trying to give them the instructions to code an XHTML page, or even asking them to read it on WC3 - XHTML was introduced in early 2000 as an "A reformulation of HTML 4 in XML format".

    And correct usage of XHTML really helped website compatibility with mobile phones accessing them. But of course that's irrelevant if you send the file with the wrong MIME-type or if your file contains errors (doesn't validate). The fact that they use the wrong doctype for their site just illustrates that they're the ones not being "standards compliant". Either use XHTML properly or use HTML. We've had almost 10 years now of webmasters using XHTML in place of HTML which is the wrong way to use it.
    This is what it is like trying to support IE 6.
    You're talking to a web developer - trust me supporting IE/FF/Opera, Safari AND HTML 3.2 Browsers (IE3, OB1, etc) is easy. And supporting XML-based browsers isn't too hard either, with the correct XHTML usage (as demonstrated with that previous page I uploaded).
    @Chris1 said: For all that IE6 nostalgia: http://www.saveie6.com/ :rolleyes:
    That's pretty funny:

    Great! You are using IE6, the best web browser in the world. The crazy ramblings of the anti-IE6 establishment haven’t affected you. Please sign our petition.

    And pretty fantastic too. BTW, Maxthon is the best browser in the world. I'd die without it's simple ability to disable scripts or sounds/images, etc on a tab-to-tab (page-to-page) basis and the ability to deny new tabs focus.

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