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Do you want to see Herman return? (spoilers for Escape)

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As we all know from the ending of EfMI, Herman somehow turned out to be the so-long-lost H.T. Marley, and returned to being the governor of Mêlée Island instead of Elaine, so that the adventure pre-ToMI could start.

This event was so filled with plot holes that the entire game's ending seemed like a huge joke, even though plot holes are no unfamiliar element to the MI series.
Nonetheless, my impression of the responses to this finale through ToMI seems to be that "bad ideas should be ignored", and the game can probably go on perfectly well without the return of the four-game hero Herman (even though one of his appearances was merely a puppet).

But am I really the only one who, despite his recent history of odd ideas, wants to see him return in ToMI?
I mean, lost memory or not, Grandpa Marley must've taken a few mental hits from being a lone hermit for all these years, and I doubt he's his normal, completely sane character. A (perhaps travelling) governor who's a bit giddy in the head, sort of.

(All in all, though, it feels like Escape just killed off one character to gain another, the latter not needing a further developed history.)

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  • We discover that Herman has died in between the two games. It's the best for everybody I think. Just let him die. You know it makes sense. :(

  • Oh come on! How could you not have loved Herman the hermit turning his efforts to... philosophy? Probably the most laugh-out-loud scene in the whole of LeChuck's Revenge.

    Are you kidding? It was... crap. Herman's comeback (along with Men of Low Fiber combeack) was as unneded and forced as Murray's comeback was in EfMI and later parts of CoMI. The only funny dialog we have with him is about the treasure shortcut, which has nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever. By the way, MI2 IS my favorite MI game. As you can probably see, each is entitled to his own opinion :p

    I know some fans get annoyed about people ignoring parts of TEH CANON!!11!!111, but I'll ignore something I can't stand if I bloody well want.

    Meh, I'm not annoyed. Frankly, I don't really give a shit :p But I do still count that kind of attitude as some senseless fan non-sense, no offence. And that's also the reason I'm not going to ignore the fact that Herman was a philosopher - because it really makes no sense to do that, like it or not. I'm not going to start some kind of holy war because of that, though, no-no. :)

  • @Farlander said: Are you kidding? It was... crap. Herman's comeback (along with Men of Low Fiber combeack) was as unneded and forced as Murray's comeback was in EfMI and later parts of CoMI. The only funny dialog we have with him is about the treasure shortcut, which has nothing to do with philosophy whatsoever. By the way, MI2 IS my favorite MI game. As you can probably see, each is entitled to his own opinion :p

    What about the whole "tree" dialogue? Meh, maybe it hits a funnier note if you're into philosophy.

    It also reminds me of this: (about 8.50) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_SCV8XwkX8&feature=related

    Meh, I'm not annoyed. Frankly, I don't really give a shit :p But I do still count that kind of attitude as some senseless fan non-sense, no offence. And that's also the reason I'm not going to ignore the fact that Herman was a philosopher - because it really makes no sense to do that, like it or not. I'm not going to start some kind of holy war because of that, though, no-no. :)

    Isn't one of the reasons they set it 10 years in the future to get rid of some of the baggage the series has gained over the years?

  • Only if they avoid the Escape explantion, but then again, Monkey Island history seems to re-write itself after every bloody game anyway, so herman could be a Hermit again saying he pretended to be H.T.Marley to get as many ships as he could, ...and sink them near Monkey Island. Yeah, .., that seems like something Herman would do.

    Then again, I guess that's why some people (especially the people who hate Curse) don't mind Escape, as it tried to re-do what was explained in Curse, but to me, it was made even worse, at least in the retcon story of Curse, it made LeChuck look like some mastermind going around killing off each Crew Member one by one, in Escape, he was just a side kick and it made out that Ozzie was the great bad guy to bump off H.T.Marley, which somehow felt a lot less effective.

  • If he's as uncofmortable and weird as he was in Secret of Monkey Island. He was the best character in that game fo sho

  • Herman was pretty good. I found him really irritating, but that was the point of him.

    I would like him to show up in the Monkey Island part of TOMI.

  • Honestly, I don't really want many old characters to return. If the MI franchise is to stay fresh, we need new, well written characters, not just fanservice in the form of arbitrarily including a lot of old favourites.

    @jortlaban said: [...]When they release Monkey Island 5[...]

    The only MI game to be numbered was MI2. The games after that are not are not officially called Monkey Island 3 and 4 and so on. However, if you want to use numbers when describing the MI games, TMI is the fifth Monkey Island game, and as such it makes no sense to label CMI MI3 and EMI MI4, but not call TMI MI5.

  • I don't know why most of monkey island fans hate the EFMI twist. We all know there are plot holes but come on, this isn't a METAL GEAR game. Monkey Island series was made to entertain you. We don't have to go back to old games and keep ourselves busy in finding plot holes.

    And hey, if Ron himself continued on producing monkey series, he would fall in such error. He said himself in SOMI:SE video that he didn't had any storyboard drawing and he simply just brainstorm ideas and program it directly which shows you he doesn't mind or care if he fell in a plot hole or story error. And that's actually funny that some people come up with a deep analysis of the characters from MI1 and MI2.

    back on topic- I would like at least to hear a reference of Governor Marley. To me he was the funniest character through all the series even his figure in CMI :D.

    sorry for my bad English. just wanted to share my thoughts :)

  • @Sir Pantalones said: As we all know from the ending of EfMI, Herman somehow turned out to be the so-long-lost H.T. Marley, and returned to being the governor of Mêlée Island instead of Elaine, so that the adventure pre-ToMI could start.

    This event was so filled with plot holes that the entire game's ending seemed like a huge joke, even though plot holes are no unfamiliar element to the MI series.
    Nonetheless, my impression of the responses to this finale through ToMI seems to be that "bad ideas should be ignored", and the game can probably go on perfectly well without the return of the four-game hero Herman (even though one of his appearances was merely a puppet).

    But am I really the only one who, despite his recent history of odd ideas, wants to see him return in ToMI?
    I mean, lost memory or not, Grandpa Marley must've taken a few mental hits from being a lone hermit for all these years, and I doubt he's his normal, completely sane character. A (perhaps travelling) governor who's a bit giddy in the head, sort of.

    (All in all, though, it feels like Escape just killed off one character to gain another, the latter not needing a further developed history.)

    Nah, most people think that all copies of escape from monkey island should be thrown in a ditch somewhere in the middle of a desert along with the copies of E.T. and then burned to a crispy freaking crisp. Most fans absolutely want nothing to do with "that piece of crap that dares to call itself monkey island" and you can see that even in TMI Telltale is trying to avoid it completely. There's only been one reference to EMI in TMI, and that was just kind of an "hey this game exists." more than it was a "hey, this game is reference worthy". So I don't think they're going to do anything from MI4, because unfortunately most of the MI fans hate that game. :rolleyes:

  • i would loooove to see him :D.

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