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Video: The TRUE Secret of Monkey Island

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I've put together a YouTube video discussing some of the conspiracy theories about what Ron Gilbert meant by The Secret of Monkey Island.

It contains MAJOR spoilers to both SOMI and MI2:LR so don't watch if you haven't played them yet but intend to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka07i6cp_0U

Hope you enjoy it!

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  • @Little Writer said: ARE they dead? When they show up in the skeleton dance dream sequence, Guybrush merely asks "What are you doing here?" instead of screaming out "You're alive!"

    All that tells you is that Guybrush didn't KNOW they were dead. Besides, they do turn into dancing SKELETONS.

  • So, for the voodoo doll of LeChuck to work, do you really think they're actually brothers?

  • @Little Writer said: So, for the voodoo doll of LeChuck to work, do you really think they're actually brothers?

    Well, think about it - whose parents are they actually proven to be during the course of the game?

  • @andygeers said: I don't think you're alone in this sentiment - I've come across quite a few people expressing the same idea. I must confess though, I slightly struggle to understand exactly why people feel this way - in what way does it diminish the experience?

    Let me put it this way. I'll compare it to Star Wars. Star Wars is huge - it's beyond huge. The story is excellent, everybody has fallen in love with the Star Wars universe and its many amazing characters. People have such a deep love for the whole series and franchise to the extent that the SW universe almost becomes real, in a strange, and slightly nerdy, but wonderful way.

    Now, imagine that Star Wars just turned out to be something that a little 9-year-old child had dreamed up while playing with his toy spaceships. It just really wouldn't be the same.

    This applies to Monkey Island. We've come to know the MI world so well now, the characters have taken on their own personalities, each island has a certain charm and feel to it, we ourselves genuinely care about the events that take place within the MI world and care about the fate of the characters in it. So if I were to find that the whole saga took place within the mind of a young child who was just spending the day in a theme park, that epic battles that went on between Guybrush and LeChuck were just mere bickering between two brothers, and the whole MI world which is so unique and awesome just turned out to be... disneyland - then I be extremely disappointed and just feel a little empty inside. It would tarnish my view of this amazing creation.

    I may be going a little over-the-top here, but it's just the way I personally see it.

  • I think the theme park was a curse LeChuck put on Guybrush, and the game seems to be supporting that:
    "Chuckie"'s eyes glow at the end.
    We cut back to Elaine on Dinky Island after Guybrush ends up in the carnival.
    I guess it's also weird that Estevan says "Only LeChuck knows" the secret: odd that LeChuck should know that the world is an illusion if it's in Guybrush's head.

    The other thing that makes me ponder, is that both LeChuck's ship and Captain Marley's ship "Elaine" were both sunk by mysterious storms whilst hunting for The Secret and for Big Whoop respectively. Coincidence?
    Perhaps the Voodoo Lady called the storms: she wanted to turn LeChuck into her ghost pirate puppet (Revenge contains several clues that Ron may have intended her to be evil), and she tried to stop granpa Marley when he got close to finding Big Whoop, because she wanted to find it herself (or have LeChuck find it for her).

    And I often wonder why a dog shows up at the end of MI2 when you defeat LeChuck and carries his arm off.


    Here's my theory: The whole fight in the tunnels was LeChcuk putting the curse on Guybrush. Since he doesn't just have to turn Guybrush into a kid, but also make him believe it, it takes a long time. Each time he tortures Guybrush with the voodoo doll, he puts a bit more of the curse on Guybrush, and Guybrush loses a bit of his memory and sanity. Hence why those tunnels are so surreal. By the time Guybrush finishes his voodoo doll, LeChuck has so much power over Guybrush that he can make him see just about anything, and since he isn't actually Guybrush's brother the voodoo doll Guybrush made doesn't work, so he makes Guybrush see him falling apart, so Guybrush will feel sorry for him and "take his mask off" when LeChuck asks him to. So he makes Guybrush see the face of his actual brother. This causes Guybrush to believe in it and basically submit to the curse. The dog was a part of the process of convincing Guybrush he is a child imagining it all.

    There's also one MAJOR clue that nobody ever seems to comment on: we know that Guybrush's parents are DEAD - their skeletons are sitting in the Lost and Found. So how come they're suddenly alive again in the themepark?


    Why would these skeletons actually be Guybrush's parents? The only thing that says so is a sign that may very well have been placed there by LeChuck to convince him he's actually Guybrush's brother in order to help put the curse on Guybrush. And the parents in the theme park could be part of an illusion, or some of LeChuck minions.

  • What if LeChuck's spell/vision was to make Guybrush believe his parents were alive?

    If Guybrush is just a little kid lost in a theme park, then maybe he's been wondering why his parents haven't found him yet ("I thought you abandoned me."). Maybe he's afraid that they've died (dancing skeletons), or maybe they really did die (in the tunnels), but whether they're lost or dead, it might have sent him into a state of denial, or into an imaginary fantasy world where he's a pirate. Even if the tunnels were part of LeChuck's spell/vision, Guybrush's dream of his parents at the big tree was not. Also, why would LeChuck try to convince him that his parents are dead, and then try to convince him that they're alive? That would be counterproductive. After all, wasn't it Guybrush who exclaimed "Holy cow, these are my PARENTS!"

  • @Thriftweed Fancy Pants said: What if LeChuck's spell/vision was to make Guybrush believe his parents were alive?

    If Guybrush is just a little kid lost in a theme park, then maybe he's been wondering why his parents haven't found him yet ("I thought you abandoned me."). Maybe he's afraid that they've died (dancing skeletons), or maybe they really did die (in the tunnels), but whether they're lost or dead, it might have sent him into a state of denial, or into an imaginary fantasy world where he's a pirate. Even if the tunnels were part of LeChuck's spell/vision, Guybrush's dream of his parents at the big tree was not. Also, why would LeChuck try to convince him that his parents are dead, and then try to convince him that they're alive? That would be counterproductive. After all, wasn't it Guybrush who exclaimed "Holy cow, these are my PARENTS!"

    Maybe the dead parents were there to convince Guybrush LeChuck is actually his brother, because otherwise the voodoo doll wouldn't work. And then he showed them they were alive to help bring the message that all his adventures were a dream.

  • Doesn't that seem counterproductive? Why would LeChuck show Guybrush a vision of him defeating LeChuck at all?

    And that still doesn't explain his dream beforehand.

  • I think that before MI3 the secret was the one described int he video (theme parks and child's overactive imagination). But now everything is so f*cked up that even if Ron would like to reveal it, he couldn't. Maybe.

  • @Thriftweed Fancy Pants said: Doesn't that seem counterproductive? Why would LeChuck show Guybrush a vision of him defeating LeChuck at all?

    And that still doesn't explain his dream beforehand.

    It's possible that LeChuck didn't expect Guybrush to actually make the doll (After all, each time Guybrush defeats him, it's because LeChuck underestimates Guybrush), and that he put the skeletons there just to reinforce the claim that he is Guybrush's brother. Aftyer all, who would be more likely to have your parents's skeletons: a brother or a total stranger?
    IT's also possible that LeChuck planned on having Guybrush think he was defeated, so Guybrush would think LeChuck couldn't harm him anymore and let his guard down and get cursed.

    The dream isn't as shortly beforehand as it seems: Guybrush spends 5 days in the crate to LeChuck's fortress, so it would be about a week earlier. As for the contents of the dream: consider that LeChuck had just come back to life and was chasing after Guybrush. He was probably terrified. Maybe his parents died when he was a kid, and he fears going after them. Maybe his parents were still alive and he fears LeChuck may kill them.

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