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iPad: Your thoughts?

posted by Chyron8472 on - last edited - Viewed by 562 users

I know it's not out yet, but family was having a discussion about it last week.

From what I've read, the starting price for the iPad is [edit]$500, which doesn't include 3G cell capability. For that, it costs $150 more ($650 total,)[/edit] for the device and $15/month for service. You don't use the 3G for a phone, but rather for access to the net.
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First, let me comment about how people are talking about the iPad vs. Kindle. My wife and I have a Kindle, and let me tell you that it's much more like reading a book than staring at a computer. That means that you can read for hours and not get eyestrain. With that in mind, I think the iPad would be a bad ebook reader because staring at your iPhone/iPod Touch for hours would give you a headache, I would think. Not to mention the Kindle's battery life lasts for days and weeks, not hours.


Second, it's no more than a giant iPod Touch with 3G access. That's all. It's like a tablet PC with the iPhone OS. Why would any current iPhone/iPod user buy one?


...My Dad says that he thinks it's going to be a big flop. What do you all think?

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  • @natlinxz said: Okay, I'm going to stop posting in this thread. Rather Dashing is biased against apple products (and he admits it, too).


    I suppose I could say that? I think their interface design on portable devices is ingenious, and the actual USE of the devices tends to be very smooth and elegant. So I don't think I'm incapable of seeing merits in Apple products, I just am certain that being pretty, slick, and simple are by no means able to counterbalance the glaring flaws that they build into their products, intentionally or otherwise.

    ((This has nothing to do with their computers. I have almost no experience with Macs beyond the mid-80s, I have no qualification to even have an opinion on that front.))

    Complaining that Apple is just trying to make money is stupid, because that's how the world works. You pay money, someone provides a service. Your argument (and weird toast metaphors) grow stale and old.
    Of course companies try to make money. I'm not arguing that trying to make money is bad and evil. I'm arguing that trying to make money in unfair, anti-consumer ways shouldn't be supported by the very people that are being screwed over.

    I gotta agree on one thing, though: Stale toast sucks.
    People don't use apple computers because of the hype
    I'm sure some do. I'm also sure that...

    they use apple computers because they actually want to. Can you grasp this concept?
    ...some do for this reason, too. I think the Apple portable devices, ESPECIALLY the iPhone and the iPad(and the MacBook Air), are more "status symbol electronics". All flash, some substance, but just not enough substance.

    Also, you obviously weren't paying attention, because there was one toast metaphor and the other was about BAGELS. Also, I was hungry.

    They have used Windows and OS X, and chose it out of their own free will. Apple makes excellent software like iMovie, iPhoto, Final Cut, Aperture, Logic Studio, Keynote, Pages, etc. And people want to use this software on a multi-touch interface (along with hundreds of thousands of third party programs too).
    I can see that, I suppose. Does the iPad support/come with the entire suite of iLife/iWork programs? I noticed some spreadsheet work in iWork during the press show.

    The problem is that I don't think data entry is the iPad's strong suit, and I don't think that that iPad was really built to do complex editing tasks. I'd wait for the Mac model that comes with a touchscreen, or I'd get a touchscreen monitor for a Mac, if I was wanting to use those programs that way.

    Are Macs using DisplayPort as their exclusive video output? I'm honestly not sure. I have absolutely no opinion or really much knowledge of Mac computers. I'm not arguing "against Apple" as an entity, I'm arguing against the ideas they're putting forward in their portable devices about how we are meant to interact with our content, how we are meant to interact with our software, and how we are meant to interact with our hardware.

    @natlinxz said: Goodness... If you actually believe the WHOLE WORLD will bow to Apple's ideals, then you are fantasizing. Their global market share is less than 10%.
    It's more a "cultural victory" than "domination victory" situation. Right now, in the smartphone market, everyone wants to be the iPhone. In the feature-rich MP3-player market, everybody wants to be the iPod. When an idea about how we interact with content is both INSANELY LUCRATIVE and popular, others follow suit.

    @natlinxz said: I'm not talking about mobile devices; the context of this discussion is personal computers. And Apple doesn't have 10% overall. To be honest, they probably have less than 5% of the global market share. To institute Rather Dashing's dreaded iWorld, Apple would have to topple HP, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, and eliminate all other competition.
    Or simply convince them that locked-down, super-simplified computers are what everyone wants. And Apple doesn't need to TRY to convince them, they just need to try to make money and succeed.

    Granted, there are a lot of other factors. But I don't want things like the iPad being considered viable alternatives to desktop computers, or even laptops or netbooks.

  • @Andrew Ryan said: There have been tablet computers for ages. Apple had one go at it already. Remember the Newton?



    For April Fool's Day, ThinkGeek had a sweepstakes. First prize was a Newton and a $1000 shopping spree. Second prize was an iPad and a $500 shopping spree.

  • @GuruGuru214 said: For April Fool's Day, ThinkGeek had a sweepstakes. First prize was a Newton and a $1000 shopping spree. Second prize was an iPad and a $500 shopping spree.



    I know... I totally entered. I need a Newton for the Fort Frolic Museum of Technological Folly. Only time will tell if an iPad could suffice.

  • @Thriftweed Fancy Pants said: I'm not talking about mobile devices; the context of this discussion is personal computers. And Apple doesn't have 10% overall. To be honest, they probably have less than 5% of the global market share. To institute Rather Dashing's dreaded iWorld, Apple would have to topple HP, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, and eliminate all other competition.

    Ah okay. But in 2-3 months time, in terms of slate/tablet PC's only, that percentage will be far far higher.

  • You know, I don't really like Apple. Their products seem more expensive than the competition, while lasting less time and being able to do less.
    But I just don't buy their products. You seem to have made it your personal mission to bring them down or something. I don't get it.
    Just because their products don't do it for you (or me) doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to want them, buy them and like them.

    If you've got that much bottled up anger, maybe you could make apple sauce. It's tasty, too.

    I'm not saying you're not allowed to hate them. I'm just not sure why you're trying to make other people hate them too.

  • @avistew said: If you've got that much bottled up anger, maybe you could make apple sauce. It's tasty, too.


    Never was too fond of applesauce. I'd go for juice or cider instead, thanks. Maybe pie.

    I'm not saying you're not allowed to hate them. I'm just not sure why you're trying to make other people hate them too.
    It's a matter of principles, really. Apple is the leader when it comes to the MP3 player and smartphone markets, and they may end up with the tablet PC market as well. Everybody wants to be Apple.

    I wouldn't care so much if they weren't in such a powerful and influential market position. But they are, and so their decisions do end up affecting me.

    For example: If apps for the iPhone and iPad can't use Flash or other intermediary, easily-ported dev tools, then it's more likely that the iPhone OS devices will get exclusive access to more applications that may have otherwise gone multi-platform, because they're such a big portion of the market. It was similar when the DRM scheme of iTunes was unfair bullying on the part of Apple toward the customer and their competitors.

    Basically, they aren't being fair. They aren't producing an open product to honestly compete with the others in the marketplace. They're creating a closed ecosystem, because they can, because they're Apple, and that makes it an unfair competition. Competition, when it's fair, does push forward innovation and make the world a better place.

  • I thought that hating them on principle was obvious. Hating Apple is like hating Microsoft is like hating AOL. One just feels compelled to hate them, and therefore complain. But we know that they're too big to take down by just not buying their stuff, since so many other people buy it already anyway.

  • @Chyron8472 said: I thought that hating them on principle was obvious. Hating Apple is like hating Microsoft is like hating AOL. One just feels compelled to hate them, and therefore complain. But we know that they're too big to take down by just not buying their stuff, since so many other people buy it already anyway.


    There's no reason to hate AOL anymore. Their reign of terror has long since ended. Now they just...publish some blogs and maintain an IM client that I use indirectly.

    Microsoft...I sadly accept as a necessary evil. I understand the love of Linux, I just can't use it for enough of the things that I do to make it worth the trouble. At least Microsoft lets me put the OS on whatever hardware I want, though, and lets me cobble together my own PC from spare parts if I want. And yeah, I often do want.

  • True.

    That reminds me of a "PC vs. Mac" spoof on youtube where they both get upgraded...

    PC gets upgraded to Vista, meaning that he gets escorted off stage and comes back with a different shirt.

    Mac gets "upgraded," meaning that he gets escorted off stage and promptly shot, to be replaced by an entirely different person.

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