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posted by kaptein_kaffe on - last edited - Viewed by 1.8K users

Discussing religion is generally a very bad idea on the internet, but there are a lot of down to earth and rational people on this forum so I decided to give it a go.

I want to hear your beliefs. Also, try to keep an open mind and show respect to other people's opinions. I don't care weather you're a fanatic catholic, fanatic atheist or whatever. Arguing about "who's right" is just a terrible cliche.

Personally I believe that there is a god. I'm not agnostic, I believe in god, but that's just my own spiritual reflection on it. I don't judge other religions and say that "this is right", it's more along the lines of Baruch de Spinoza's take on it where you see god as everything. Maybe there's a word for what that is, I don't know. I prefer to look at everything that is beyond our understanding with humility. Most of my religious knowledge lies within catholicism and I generally agree with the ten commandments, but I also believe that the religion is blurred for the sake of politics, ways of maintaining order and fanatic influences (edit: + things that are lost in translation). In short, I'm a read between the lines kind of guy.

My knowledge on the subject is limited, so it's possible that I won't be able to keep up with the discussion. I'd just like to hear your views :)

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  • @Chyron8472 said: I believe because the Holy Spirit of God has revealed it to me, and has opened my eyes to continually see further evidence in my life and the lives of others around me.

    So because some old book has words in it, and you look for evidence where there is none, that is enough proof to devote your life to something?

  • @Pale Man said: I believe in no organized religion, have only been inside a church twice in my life, both were funerals, and I am pretty certain my conscience and moral code is far more developed and far stricter than the vast majority of people I've met in my life who identify as "Christian". Being Christian doesn't automatically entitle you to special powers of improved conscience, and in several cases, I've seen people justify their insane lack of a conscience by saying "oh it's okay I can just apologize and Jesus will forgive me". Saying someone who is religious has a more developed conscience than someone who isn't is an incredibly wrong assumption.

    I agree. That's why I said I wasn't saying people without faith had less developed consciences. I mean that if you follow a belief, your conscience is differently made up compared to other faiths and non faiths, and therefore people with that conscience PERCIEVE others to have less developed consciences, as they do not believe the same stuff, so, yes, it is a wrong assumption, not the thing I was trying to convey though.

  • @Pale Man said: So because some old book has words in it, and you look for evidence where there is none, that is enough proof to devote your life to something?

    You would turn away from such evidence, even if it were staring you in the face. There's nothing I can say, beyond what I've already said, to convince you of the reasons why I believe in God and in Jesus Christ.

    God, Himself has revealed it to me, not just from "some old book."

    I challenge you to ask Him yourself, to reveal Himself to you. If you are truly seeking, you'll find Him also.

    20"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

    -Revelation 3:20-22

  • @Chyron8472 said: You would turn away from such evidence, even if it were staring you in the face. There's nothing I can say, beyond what I've already said, to convince you of the reasons why I believe in God and in Jesus Christ.

    God, Himself has revealed it to me, not just from "some old book."

    I challenge you to ask Him yourself, to reveal Himself to you. If you are truly seeking, you'll find Him also.

    I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous and corny thing I have ever heard in my entire life, and I honestly can't believe you'd think it was true.

  • @Pale Man said: I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous and corny thing I have ever heard in my entire life, and I honestly can't believe you'd think it was true.

    Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, it's not up to anyone to tell people what is believable or not, and what is ridiculous or not.

  • @The Highway said: Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, it's not up to anyone to tell people what is believable or not, and what is ridiculous or not.

    I'm not offended. Really, I'm not.

  • @Chyron8472 said: I'm not offended. Really, I'm not.

    It's not a matter of whether we found it offensive, it is the fact that he can't accept the fact that we believe for the sake of believing

  • To me, the fact that Scientology is a practicing religion is just further proof that people will believe anything just to think they have some answers or meaning to their lives.

  • @The Highway said: It's not a matter of whether we found it offensive, it is the fact that he can't accept the fact that we believe for the sake of believing

    He's not going to accept it.

    The Bible says don't be disheartened when you're persecuted.

  • @Chyron8472 said: He's not going to accept it.

    The Bible says don't be disheartened when you're persecuted.

    http://www.losingmyreligion.com/essays/brad/cultleader.htm

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