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Politics in Sam & Max?

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Aside from the less-subtle references to various private body parts, I think the TellTale writers are scraping the bottom of the barrel for jokes. Maybe some fresh minds are needed. I was offended by the name used for the dinosaur exhibit in the museum. It shows a sophomoric view of politics that only mind-numbed liberals could possess. I'm waiting to draw my final conclusions about the likelihood that I will purchase another TellTale game - to see if there are any references to Doofus Pelosius, Rankus Reedius, or Hurlus Huseinus Obamanus. That would at least show a relatively balanced imbalanced humor. Gee, I wonder if this post will make it past the free-speech police at Tell Tale?

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  • Ha! I totally missed that! :D That's so perfect. I'm going to pretend the Kincaid plant is referring to Thomas Kincaid, since it sums up his "art work" perfectly.

  • As I learned: If most don't understand your joke, it might not be a great joke or you pegged your audience wrong. ^^;

    On my first play through, I knew it was referencing something (almost everything in Sam & Max references something) since the name sounded familiar and the comment about beautiful things being deadly (or in this case, poisonous). Everything that is clickable, I want to believe the writers are trying to squeeze as much humor into that object/person/etc as possible. They wouldn't have "filler" dialog, especially on something that isn't important to the story. (Text-only adventures don't have that problem of carefully selecting their dialog because they aren't charged by the hour on voice actors. ...Of course, this is off topic... ^^; )

    It was on my second playthrough and reading the first post in this topic that it clicked into place. It wasn't even that great of a joke anyways... ^^;

  • My point in all of this is that a GAME should avoid stirring up current political disputes. A GAME is supposed to be an escape from reality, not another medium for one side to attack the other side with supposed impunity.

    to be honest, i'd like to think games are another form of discourse in the same way a book or a film can be or even at least have the potential to be. to deny telltale this shows a disturbing will to limit their creative minds. i think the comedy in sam and max is at its best when it is satirical (social and political, remember there's quit a few jabs certain celebrities too, remember?). to me, it is integral to what makes sam and max what it is, we love them for the skewed, sarcastic silliness and acerbic one liners.

    to pander to anybody else's whims (or whinges, sorry dude but it had to be said) would mean it couldn't be a properly functioning sam and max game. imagine if some elvis fan got so upset about the references in Hit the Road?

    Sam & Max has always been one of my favorite games. I dislike having unbalanced political satire injected just so the writers can gain some kind of ephemeral brownie points with their friends. I would find it much more humorous if BOTH sides came under scrutiny. So far, it hasn't been that way.

    ahh so politics IS allowed now for discussion? make up your mind mate. you know, i think its funny a right winger can come on this board and start telling anybody to be "Fair & Balanced". lets not forget the same phrase is used by one of the most blatantly opinionated media organisations (its not a news network and you know it) which plugs its half arsed assertions (and out right lies) through lunatics like glenn beck.

    but do you know what? its still there. am i shocked by the content and at how partisan it is? yeah but do i believe in freedom of speech, 'course i effing well do. do you think more people play sam and max than watch fox? (i really wish they would to be honest!) what then has more influence?

    well, you didn't want politics (of the supposedly wrong kind) to disturb your escapist fantasy dreamland of the game but as the games industry matures, the games will too. (obviously there's still need of for the sarcastic immaturity of max) do really want to restrict games to never develop further than being seen as only as children's toys?

  • Fanofmalcomtucker, you are very narrowminded. Then again also Dudleyjohn. This is one of the reasons why I hate messageboards. Making big deals about stupid jokes and making bigoted remarks at one another.

    Dudley, play more of the previous seasons' episodes. You'll find that they are pretty balanced about jokes.

    Malcom, some people DO find games as an escapist entertainment. Heck, why can't we all just get off our butts and actually be sports stars, astronauts, or detectives? Because sometimes, it's just not possible and we want to kinda live out our fantasies without hindrance. Hence why some people get angry that developers might force players to go in their world view in order to complete a game.

    This doesn't pertain really to Sam & Max since, as I said before, they make fun of everything. So if you aren't able to laugh at yourself, I don't think you'll have a fun time playing.

    And what's wrong with videogames classified as "childrens' toys"? It kinda reminds me of a quote I found a week ago:
    "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C. S. Lewis

  • The only political satire I have seen in the game this series is when you talk to the elves in reel one in little christmas ville or where ever it is they live. You know, the ones that will trade you the magical can of beans for a good toy idea. If you suggest to them they make a monoploy like board game one of the cracks a joke and says, "the kids aren't into capitalism now adays". Of course, during the early 20th century social theory was quite popular but seriously the political jokes in Sam and Max aren't that bad.

    Actually what's even funnier is if you go back to season two episode three, Night of the Raving Dead. One of the things Max can say when trying to out rap Jurgeon is, "we're going to rock your house like Nancy Pelosi," but I can't believe that they wrote that line with a straight face. Not to mention the puppet president in episode four of season one looks a lot like George Jr. But hey, come on. You could do a lot worse when it comes to political humor like Family Guy or South Park. The Teltale jokes are tasteful at least unlike some 'other' cartoons.

    Oh and almost forgot, it is still just a game!

  • @dudleyjohn said:
    I find it revealing that people with liberal political views are extremely circumspect when a conservative is being lambasted. It it were a liberal (or even further left) figure that took a barb, they would be up in arms and organizing an embargo - or trying to find a liberal judge somewhere to ban the game.

    I can't speak for others, but I'd have laughed just the same if the plant was called "Palinus" or "Bidenus". As I said earlier, life's too short to spend it getting offended by everything and hating on entire groups of people.

    My point in all of this is that a GAME should avoid stirring up current political disputes. A GAME is supposed to be an escape from reality, not another medium for one side to attack the other side with supposed impunity.

    A medium can't be anything that you don't let it be. Look at your original post: you let a throwaway gag that most didn't even *notice* set you on a tirade of leftist bashing. Maybe you should be blaming yourself for "stirring up political disputes", not Telltale.

    What kills me is that the entirety of Abe Lincoln Must Die! didn't bother you, but an extremely subtle and lighthearted jab at Palin does.

  • So wait, it's news that Sam and Max is at least a bit left leaning? Go play Abe Lincoln Must Die again. Look around the Oval Office. It's pretty obvious that TTG is liberal-inclined. I just don't see why that has to be the end of the world. Why is it in America, whenever someone disagrees with you, there is automatic assumption they don't have a good reason for doing it? That there is inherent malice in it?

    It's not the return of Yog-Saggoth, it just means someone has different peers, economic/political theories, and life experiences than you. At worst they may be misinformed and at very best maybe you could even learn something from them. Though the word "bipartisan" has been abused to create false equivalencies, the spirit of the sentiment is worth embracing.

    If that's too much, then "good faith" should suffice. That means not automatically assuming the other side is out to stifle or insult you just by expressing their opinions. Both sides need to refrain from ad hominem for that to happen though, and the usual levels of American political discourse doesn't seem to grasp that. It's kind of sad.

  • @dudleyjohn said: That would at least show a relatively balanced imbalanced humor.

    Previous seasons have jibed at Clinton, Pelosi, Gore and Eisenhower. So for balance, we need at least one more jibe at Republicans.

  • I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. How can you possibly get pissed at Telltale for one very mild and pretty tasteful joke, that in no way attacks you personally or even attacks your political party? Taking a jab at Sarah Palin is in no way different from taking a jab at Warren G. Harding or Ulysses S. Grant. It's behind us as a nation, so we really shouldn't care. Sarah Palin isn't that great a national figure, anyway. If she mattered for squat, she'd be VP.

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