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What's your theory about the ending of Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge?

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Here is mine (obviously full of spoilers about the game):

I think that all anachronisms like cereal boxes, Grog machines, etc are there just for fun as well as the fourth wall breaking stuff like "pirates talked like that" and the Lucasarts phone in the jungle. An amusement park is perfectly normal in a world like this.

My theory is that Big Whoop is a portal. Maybe it travels to different times. Maybe Guybrush went back in time to when he was in his childhood and his parents were alive. That's why his parents wear pirate clothes. Big Whoop is like a time machine.

Maybe LeChuck is really his older brother which went bad when Guybrush was just a baby and left just to become a pirate. His parents never told the truth to Guybrush.

Le Chuck's plan in to go back using the Big Whoop and kill Guybrush while he is a child. After that maybe prevent himself from dying?

Just my theory. I don't believe that "all is a dream" rubbish. It would simply suck in something as brilliant as Monkey Island.

Guybrush and Lechuck are brothers. Le Chuck cast a spell on Guybrush to confuse him. Big Whoop creates a portal to another time when Guybrush was a kid.

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    Well, I guess that Luke and Leia both wanted to have sex at one point too.
    I just see Ron Gilbert as a 'gaming Lucas' in this matter - he creates stuff on the move.

  • Leia only kissed Luke in Empire just to annoy Han. The peck on the cheek in A New Hope doesn't really count. Also, storytelling-on-the-fly still doesn't explain Ron saying that Elaine thinks of GB kind of as a little brother when she made overt sexual advances toward him in Secret.

    Besides that, saying Ron Gilbert is like the George Lucas of gaming isn't really a positive comparison, since though Lucas had a wonderful imagination in creating Star Wars, he is however terrible at implementing it directly. Most people say Empire and Jedi are the best movies, and that can be largely attributed to the fact that Lucas wasn't the director for either of them.

  • Leia only kissed Luke in Empire just to annoy Han.

    Well, I'm pretty sure, at least, the Luke wanted to have sex with her when he saw her in that hologram in SW4 :p I mean, he's a young guy, who can blame him? :p

    Besides that, saying Ron Gilbert is like the George Lucas of gaming isn't really a positive comparison, since though Lucas had a wonderful imagination in creating Star Wars, he is however terrible at implementing it directly. Most people say Empire and Jedi are the best movies, and that can be largely attributed to the fact that Lucas wasn't the director for either of them.

    Yeah, if you take comparisons too literally.
    But really, both Ron and Lucas have good imagination and understanding of what they're doing, both wouldn't have done a timeless classic without the help of others (in case of Ron, it's Dave's and Tim's collaboration which actually turned Monkey Island into Monkey Island we know), and both would make not very good attempts in their respecitve fields if they would decide to be the sole 'creator' which everyone should listen to. The only difference is that Ron is smart enough not to (I'm sure while creating DeathSpank he listened to other people), and if he ever would decide to go '**** it, I'm making MY OWN Monkey Island game (Monkey Island 3?)', then it wouldn't be good. Oh, and both create stuff on the fly. So really, I think of it more as of a realistic comparison than a negative one.

    PS. And RotJ is not a really good movie :p Aside from the tensioned duel between Luke and Vader. And even those moments are spoiled by the stupid Palpatine. Personally, I would never go as far as to think of calling it 'best'.

  • I've just reacently noticed that Big Whoop is the spitting image of booty island, if you look carefully you can see that the buildings are the same shape and are in the same place, but with things added too them, you can also see a giant S at the furthest right corner of Big Whoop which clearly belongs to Stans, although it does lack the lights.

    I just thought I should mention this it's up to whom ever reads this what it mean.

  • I think LeChuck put a spell on him that made him think hes a child, (Like Kiss of the Spider-Monkey in CMI) but I can't think of why Guybrush returns in a bumper car with 2 heluim balloons.

  • @crashboy765 said: but I can't think of why Guybrush returns in a bumper car with 2 heluim balloons.



    A really wild party?

  • I think the problem with Luke and Leia is they literally WERE brother and sister.

    Thing is, no matter what Monkey Island game we're talking about, Elaine does seem to have this belief that she has to "babysit" Guybrush. Even when they're together, very rarely does Elaine talk to him as if they're on the same level.

    Admittedly a pretty bizarre foundation for a relationship, but Guybrush seems to go for that kind of thing, so...

    Whatever floats your boat, eh?

    I think a few of us have memories of assorted ship debates from assorted media, and the argument of "younger sibling" is usually used to express purely platonic relationships. But Guybrush and Elaine have never been platonic. Even so, Elaine does treat Guybrush much as one would expect an older sister to treat a kid brother. We also have a few reasons to believe that Elaine is a few years older than Guybrush. Just wondering, maybe we aren't supposed to be taking Ron Gilbert so literally?

    Edit to Add: De Ja Vu? I find myself suddenly reminded of a big debate from the fandom of Avatar: The Last Airbender. In the second season finale, Katara holds a nearly-dead Aang in an obvious parody of La Pieta. Ship debates went nuts, as some people took this as Katara being Aang's surrogate mother and not a romantic interest. (Completely missing the religious/symbological point of the scene, of course.) It is true to a point that she is very motherly toward Aang, but taken in context, she's very motherly toward everyone, to the point that the characters spend an entire episode making fun of her for it.

  • @Polychrome said: Elaine does seem to have this belief that she has to "babysit" Guybrush. Even when they're together, very rarely does Elaine talk to him as if they're on the same level.



    lots of cartoons and fictinal works with comedic styles take this angle in romance and marrage. Like Simpsons and Kim Possble

  • @Sailorcuteness said: lots of cartoons and fictinal works with comedic styles take this angle in romance and marrage. Like Simpsons and Kim Possble


    The problem is that they kind of jumped into this four installments in. If anything, this idea that Elaine has to watch over Guybrush like a parent treats her child may be the only new element from Escape that made a lasting effect on Tales, and I personally think it's ultimately an unwelcome and cheap way to throw in easy-to-write laughs based on sitcom-style relationship comedy that rarely leaves the characters feeling "real". Granted, Monkey Island is by no means a gritty, realistic drama, and it contains its share of caricatures, but these particular caricatures for two of the main characters feels like weak writing. More than that, this aspect of their relationship seems to have been artificially manufactured recently, and it doesn't really feel like a part of their interaction pre-Escape.

  • Maybe the whole analogy would work better if we bumped the ages up to adolescence and young adulthood.

    Like, anyone ever consider maybe that Guybrush might be a bumbling teenager in high school instead of a young boy as portrayed in MI2? And LeChuck might be in college as a freshman or sophomore. Considering his personality, he might be a quarterback for the college football team. A real stud and jock sort. Elaine's the redhead to die for and the leader of some planning committee or another that has a some noticeable on the lives of the students on campus. Something attractive to LeChuck.

    Guybrush and LeChuck have never really been terribly abrasive until Elaine came over to babysit - or "escort" - Guybrush. Why? Despite being a generally well-behaved boy, he does have a tendency to be clumsy, and he does have a talent for petty thievery. Elaine's supposed to make sure he doesn't get into any trouble, or hurt or kill himself.

    But she's kind of... impressed... by his bumbling self and his boyish good looks. (And he does get good grades, too, so he's more absent-minded than stupid.) So she comes to be tantalised by Guybrush, and infatuated. This, of course, irritates LeChuck and makes him want to kill Guybrush.

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