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You know, I like the IDEA of Ozzie Mandrill...

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...I just felt like they overdid the insult games and Worf effect. The idea of a villain whose greatest scheme is cultural assimilation that can defeat his opponents by confusing them with obscure slang strikes me as a decent enough addition to the MI universe.

The big thing they need to fix is have him be rivals with LeChuck, and have it be an intense, close rivalry, rather than LeChuck acting as Ozzie's flunky.

Also, Admiral Casaba strikes me as someone who could make a pretty good Lawful Evil enforcer.

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  • Let's be realistic for once in our lives. Lechuck is a idiot, he chases after a idiot.
    He chases after mythical things like Big Whoop, has a Carnival on Monkey Island...

    He's a idiot, never had a brilliant master mind plan, let alone one that actually makes any real sense.

    Ozzy Mandril is a educated man, not a pirate, he sets himself a part from pirates all the time. Guybrush is a pirate, a idiot, Lechuck is a pirate, a idiot. Ozzy is not a idiot he's smart and educated...


    Lechuck was working with Ozz because he's a foaming at the mouth, rotting corpse of a pirate...who in the time frame of Monkey Island 4 was trying to gain power and survive in a time where pirating was dying out and men like Ozz had all the true power.

    Rivalry to that, Lechuck had just a different form of Power that Ozzy was after. In the end Lechuck won.

    Lechuck's bizarre and stupid plans, agendas are fun, but I really don't see what's so bad about some one who is a little behind in his agendas working with some one who's more experience, educated, disciplined, cunning, to try to realize his goals and plans, and in the end he killed Ozz...

    In some ways they were working separate goals, as Lechuck knows nothing about what Ozzy is doing, and Ozzy doesn't know how to be a evil pirate Lord. There was a obvious rivalry between the two as he thought he had the cunning skills to woe lechuck and use him for his agendas and Lechuck thought he had the will power and pirating skills to rise above Ozzy, use him, for fill his own agendas.

  • Obviously LeChuck is an idiot... but he is a very powerful one... and is well known as a brutal unkillable freak of nature... as the games went on they kind of lost that part of him from the first game where everyone was legitimately afraid of him... I think by the time Curse came out Guybrush didn't act like he was a threat so we kind of stop taking him serious.... I feel with ToMI we got some of that back.... LeChuck turned human and used it to his advantage and it was Guybrush that underestimated him and died because of it.

  • LeChuck, an idiot? Yeah, he is a bit of a bozo in the original MI game, just like Guybrush :p But he's not an idiot. He was a real menace, and it's just that overconfidence his main weakness... (Hm... this kinda brings a sense of Deja Vu :p ). He was turned into an idiot in CoMI, and EMI kinda continued the trend. I do think that in ToMI LeChuck is at his best :p

    Anyway, on the topic, I think Ozzie is a great villain. And I genuinely think that EMI would've fared better without LeChuck, with Ozzie being the main and ONLY villain.

  • LeChuck is an idiot, but he's an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS idiot. I think that's what makes Ozzie so interesting as an antagonist: he's such a good contrast, since he's slowly forcing the pirate lifestyle to die out.

    LeChuck is a knife, hacking and slashing his way through the world to get what he wants. Ozzie is a poison, slowly warping the world to his desires. But they're both effective villains.

  • @Some Manner Of... said: LeChuck is a knife, hacking and slashing his way through the world to get what he wants. Ozzie is a poison, slowly warping the world to his desires. But they're both effective villains.



    That's an interesting comparison.

    I liked Ozzie, but I agree about the idea of LeChuck and Ozzie being competitors. It makes more sense considering Ozzie wants to abolish pirates and LeChuck spends his time making armies of undead pirates.

  • @jeeno0142 said: That's an interesting comparison.

    I liked Ozzie, but I agree about the idea of LeChuck and Ozzie being competitors. It makes more sense considering Ozzie wants to abolish pirates and LeChuck spends his time making armies of undead pirates.



    But Ozzie thought he had control of Lechuck, remember the ending? He's literally riding on top of him, not just soft core but hard core...

    There was a real competition there, it was a competition of wills. Ozzy thought he could be top dog and control Lechuck. Pirates were dying out, people like Ozzy were rising to power. There was a rivalry, in the end, pirates won.

  • Ozzie should have hired Saxton Hale.

  • In an ideal version of Escape, I think LeChuck and Ozzie's plans would actually directly OPPOSE one another, with the one shared feature being that both are really bad for Guybrush.

  • That would have been interesting, especially if (taking a page out of the book of Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse) they came in direct conflict. Guybrush trying to slip under their radar as the two of them go at it (verbally or in an actual voodoo brawl) would have been pretty cool.

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