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Coin Box Puzzle

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Hey guys,

Loving PA2 so far, but I have to complain about the coin box puzzle. Without values on the coins, this puzzle is completely incomprehensable to those outside of the states, who don't immediately know the value of the coins. It forces the player to alt tab out, go and find the values, and keep refering back to them - and on top of that, it's a guessing game as to which one to pick, as the images mean little. In some situations this wouldn't be too bad, as it would just be another element to the puzzle. But in PA, I understood that the game gives you all the required information for a puzzle, and it's up to you to work it out from there.

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  • My two cents on the coin puzzle:
    (see what i did...?)

    I belive that anyone around my age, spent many good moments playing "Where in the world is Carmen San Diego", and im sure lots of you played it with an encyclopedia near by to look for country facts, and most important, the flags.
    Those people, like me, have no problem in reasearching outside the game for clues, but as long as you are aware that that's the kind of game you are playing, with that kind of logic.

    In puzzle agent, this and maybe the pi puzzle are the only ones that require an outside instruction, every other puzzle can be solved with elements provided inside the game.
    So it was a bit unexpected.
    Not bad, or wrong, or something to make a big fuss like this thread, but it wasn't totally right either, just a minor flaw.

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    HoboStew Telltale Staff

    @Ignatius said: In puzzle agent, this and maybe the pi puzzle are the only ones that require an outside instruction, every other puzzle can be solved with elements provided inside the game.

    That's why we put those 2 in as side puzzles, not necessary to continue the story. We even toyed with the idea of saving them for bonus puzzles after you completed the story, but they felt like the kind of puzzles Korka would have lying around her house. I can sympathize with the argument that you shouldn't have to look things up to solve the puzzles. I personally feel having them as side puzzles added more than it subtracted.

  • @HoboStew said: I personally feel having them as side puzzles added more than it subtracted.

    Seconded. :)
    And it's right to have put those 2 puzzles in that location - it suits perfectly. ;)

  • I am one of those gamers, who think looking in the Internet for game solutions is a type of cheating. It's my mindset. I just feel stupid and dirty doing something like that, since it's a surrender of sorts. For me alt-tabing and checking the Web is admitting defeat and I really don't like doing it.
    Just add values on the coin faces, or maybe a "rules" screen that gives you the value of each coin. Otherwise it's just poor puzzle design.

  • Anyone remember the website "Puzzle Donkey"? Almost ALL of their puzzles required you to go search for stuff on the internet and learn something new.

    (I never did manage to complete PD4, and now it's all gone... :( )

  • HoboStew, at the very least the first hint should've told the numeric values of each coin.

  • I figured it was some kind of binary progression but (possibly because I didn't know the coin value) guessed the wrong type of progression. I figured each coin in ascending value represented a different binary number column. So I guessed the one that I thought was third in ascending value.

    Really I don't think any puzzle should assume any kind of prior knowledge - so things like the pi value and the last puzzle (the days of the year) aren't really a good idea since you have to have that particular knowledge and recall it.

    I've heard this was a problem with some early IQ tests - they were asking questions which assumed certain knowledge rather that giving you all the required facts.

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    HoboStew Telltale Staff

    @Linque said: HoboStew, at the very least the first hint should've told the numeric values of each coin.

    Fair enough. When we update the game, the hint will be updated to reflect this. Hope that helps!

  • Thank you for listening. I believe it will help out many who play the game and are stuck in the puzzle.

    :)

  • Same here.
    I didn't know the values, but figured it would go along...

    "lowest value, second lowest, lowest + second lowest" so the answer would be just "third lowest" (I pretty much 1'ed every 'next in the sequence' test though).

    But it wasn't... atleast the coin I *think* was third lowest. Then tried another that might have been. Nope? Well, only one left. And that was apparently a dollar and the solution, for ways I would only learn after solving them.

    Yeah, there were several annoying puzzles in here (the sign one with the energy anyone?), more than PA1. Or maybe that's just a faulty memory. Did know I liked this game less than PA1. Story's majorly fumbled, puzzles are more mathical (less in my book) and it felt shorter. And being a sequel, that didn't help either.
    I guess I sadly have to agree with TTG's quality getting lower :(

    EDIT:
    Getting some other thinking people in to test would help a lot. So many unclear puzzles that you just have to fail to get an idea what to do. Solutions which would have worked under the given rules, but apparently there were more rules unmentioned (sure there is a path now, but you're stupid, you need it completely locked off, no sideways), hint which where just plain wrong or part of one solution of many (sun's have the same value, 5 lead to the computer)...

    EDIT2:
    And then there was the "gnomes and the moon" puzzle. Where I figured they jumped off (did it ever said anywhere they arrived?) so I kept trying to 'fix' the order in reverse for 5 tries before finally using hints... "they arrive" *facepalm*

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