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posted by Chyron8472 on - last edited - Viewed by 596 users

There is a thread about Star Wars, so I'm creating one about Star Trek.
Anything Star Trek, not just games.


First, I've been looking around for downloadable Star Trek games to no avail. It would seem that I'm not the best at taking care of my old PC game media, and as such am not able to readily locate my Armada, Armada II, Away Team or A Final Unity CDs.

Fortunately, I often made disc images of games that I own, but it still would be rather nice if I could buy these online, or to expand my library with such as Starfleet Command or Bridge Commander.

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  • Of course it did. It wasn't the same person nor team that made it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have soul at all, though.

  • Loss of soul is only a product of the fact that we are moving into the future, a place where people have no soul or morals, but do have tons of neat gadgets if Red vs. Blue is to be believed as an authority on the subject. Which they probably aren't.

  • @MusicallyInspired said: Of course it did. It wasn't the same person nor team that made it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have soul at all, though.

    Yeah but the loss of it means something especially to people who grew up with it. I don't think it's too far right of the arguments being held in the King's Quest forum about 'what is' King's Quest.

  • That's a good point. However, King's Quest doesn't have NEAR the amount of material that Star Trek does. Star Trek had five iterations of spin-off shows with multiple seasons worth of stories, a cartoon, 10 full length feature films, dozens upon dozens of video games, countless novels, comics, and parodies as well as fan fiction, consistent multiple conventions a year, and more and it all lasted for decades and is still going strong despite the Abrams reboot. King's Quest had a fraction of that. I think Star Trek is allowed to be a little bit different now. King's Quest barely had over a decade's worth of games with only 8 titles. It never had a chance to reach the potential it could have.

  • Yeah. I won't argue that. The truth is that Star Trek was choking on itself. The fans weren't happy even when producers gave them what they thought they wanted. The throwback Enterprise never had the right chemistry after the first season, and it went with long arcs over short ones. Voyager stumbled hard toward the end of its run. And DS9, love it though I did, put Trek on a path I don't think was sustainable. Trek isn't inherently going to reach the action heights of BS9 or Galactica, not in that universe. The tone for Trek in that vein was set.

    Every true Trek fan knows that Star Trek was dying slowly, and we were partly culpable. After Enterprise we were in the midst of having the first time in a long time where there was NO Trek on television and no movies planned. People were saying maybe the franchise needed a rest for a while. And, I think that especially in that light, it's good to have a fresh approach to classic characters. It's not like this iteration damages the standard Trek continuity or leaves no room to go back to that universe in the future.

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    @DAISHI said: I just think the new Star Trek lost some of the soul that the old ones had.

    Certainly true. Abrahams did not really know the series and just constructed a movie around the most popular things about the franchise. That way, I can understand the Trekkies' disappointment with the "new" Star Trek. Personally, I saw this movie as some kind of ST parody - the best kind, mind you. I really liked it, for its characters, on its own. Just as I liked Spaceballs without even knowing Star Wars. ;)

  • @Chyron8472 said: This is why it bothers me for people to say "It's just an opinion so why argue." If my opinion doesn't matter enough for you to argue with me about it, and your opinion doesn't matter enough for me to argue with you about it, then why do we bother to talk at all?

    I'm not saying we shouldn't talk, I'm saying we should and that people who say opinions don't matter enough to argue about have no concept of what having a relationship really means.

    I don't know. I for instance don't care whether people like or hate something, so long as they can support their arguement. I learnt a long time ago that you can't make someone like something they don't with words. Imagine me trying to convince you that marge simpson is the love of your life, or that marmite and jam pizza is really nice (which in incidentally it is.) Or athat any food you hate is actually really nice. It can't be done. People feel what they feel when they watch a film. You can't change that with words.

    That said, I do enjoy reading people's views and present my own. I still argue if something they said was untrue or or untrue for me.

    On that note: what was everyone's first episode, and what would you suggest are good starting points for newbies?

  • Who's to say Gene Roddenberry wouldn't have liked the new movie, for all we know he might have thoroughly enjoyed it.

  • Nobody's saying he wouldn't, but it's not what HR would have created either.

  • @Vainamoinen said: Certainly true. Abrahams did not really know the series and just constructed a movie around the most popular things about the franchise. That way, I can understand the Trekkies' disappointment with the "new" Star Trek. Personally, I saw this movie as some kind of ST parody - the best kind, mind you. I really liked it, for its characters, on its own. Just as I liked Spaceballs without even knowing Star Wars. ;)

    Except Abrams didn't write the movie. And the writers are fans and know the material well.

    The problem the way I'm seeing it is that it suffered from a lot of First Movie Syndrome. We have to introduce these characters and places to people who don't know them(the non-Trekkies), and we have to make it feel like there's a reason for this crazy mix-match of people can work together, so we throw in a threat to Earth. That's the big problem with Trek movies and why they have a hard time fitting in with the themes of the shows. They can't focus on something like a diplomatic meeting or something like that for a 2 hour movie.

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