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I'd like to pitch a new Sam & Max series to Adult Swim, but...

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Maybe I should show a script of a potential episode to Steve Purcell first, and see if he'll give me his blessing. After all, it worked for the radio play! :D

Should I do this or not?

(Oh, and by the way, the series I want to pitch is NOT my abridged series, just to get that out of the way.)

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  • @coolsome said: Lucus Arts could pitch a Monkey Island show with out even telling Ron Gilbert so no :P



    No, because Ron Gilbert created Monkey Island FOR LucasArts while working for them. As a [rookie, beginner] freelancer I know that anything I make for a client legally belongs to them as the official creator, even if I did all of the writing/illustrating/creating. Let's say a client says, "I want you to make a pirate comic book ... roughly revolving around ghosts, zombies, and a rootbeer machine..." I'd pitch a ton of ideas, concepts, and scripts until the employer was satisfied, then get started on the book. I'd be credited and paid, but legally it's not my baby. I think that's what happened to Ron Gilbert, but I could be wrong. You can also lose ownership of your work if you sign on with a publishing company; for example, Superman's original creators' ownership was taken away the minute they signed that contract with DC.

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    Idea it may be, but it's an idea that has basically no grounding in reality or knowledge of how the industry actually works. It's so obviously a horrible idea from every possible angle that I'm pretty much convinced by now that Lattsam is actually just a very well camouflaged troll (this post even uses the well-known Troll Fu technique, 'I'm going to do something stupid IRL unless you all try to stop me (by responding to my troll thread with hilarious indignation)').

    Lattsam, giving you the benefit of the doubt - Steve Purcell is a great guy to his fans. The love and esteem with which he holds Sam and Max fans is evident, and he's a great enough guy that when some fans wanted to do a not-for-profit fan audio drama and asked him if this was okay, he gave them his blessing instead of legally forcing them to set fire to the script, their website and their own voiceboxes like he was well within his power to do. He didn't do that, because he's a nice guy who understands that when fans co-opt his characters, it's with love.

    But mixing love with potential profit changes everything. If you're assuming that getting the rights to pitch an animated series would be as simple as getting the go-ahead to make a fanwork based on Sam and Max, you're not only wrong, but also delusional, and, most upsettingly, it makes you look like you're exploiting Steve's niceness in order to fuel your own wrong delusions.

    That's why everyone is immediately freaking out about this, Lattsam. I'm sorry if your intentions were just to make the kind of Sam and Max cartoon you have always wanted, as a fan, but if that's what you want, why not just go the fan project route? You might have to make compromises in terms of scope and voice acting and so forth, but at least you won't be lying to yourself in a potentially unnecessarily hurtful way to a guy who's done nothing to deserve that shade of crazy.

  • I agree this is, or it looks, uncomfortably close to copyright infringement. Even worse, it might have other kinds of consequences. Guy pitches thing to network, network things guy is an agent or has permission of the owner of the characters, lots of hub-bub ensue.

    To sum it up: no good can come out from this.

  • @Fly said: Idea it may be, but it's an idea that has basically no grounding in reality or knowledge of how the industry actually works. It's so obviously a horrible idea from every possible angle that I'm pretty much convinced by now that Lattsam is actually just a very well camouflaged troll (this post even uses the well-known Troll Fu technique, 'I'm going to do something stupid IRL unless you all try to stop me (by responding to my troll thread with hilarious indignation)').

    Lattsam, giving you the benefit of the doubt - Steve Purcell is a great guy to his fans. The love and esteem with which he holds Sam and Max fans is evident, and he's a great enough guy that when some fans wanted to do a not-for-profit fan audio drama and asked him if this was okay, he gave them his blessing instead of legally forcing them to set fire to the script, their website and their own voiceboxes like he was well within his power to do. He didn't do that, because he's a nice guy who understands that when fans co-opt his characters, it's with love.

    But mixing love with potential profit changes everything. If you're assuming that getting the rights to pitch an animated series would be as simple as getting the go-ahead to make a fanwork based on Sam and Max, you're not only wrong, but also delusional, and, most upsettingly, it makes you look like you're exploiting Steve's niceness in order to fuel your own wrong delusions.

    That's why everyone is immediately freaking out about this, Lattsam. I'm sorry if your intentions were just to make the kind of Sam and Max cartoon you have always wanted, as a fan, but if that's what you want, why not just go the fan project route? You might have to make compromises in terms of scope and voice acting and so forth, but at least you won't be lying to yourself in a potentially unnecessarily hurtful way to a guy who's done nothing to deserve that shade of crazy.



    I know that looking at the way I type my posts, you may think I'm a troll, Fly. But I am not one. If I was really a troll, my message would have been something like "MAKE A NEW SAM AND MAX CARTOON BECAUSE THE CURRENT ONE SUX!!!!!1" I know how trolls operate, and I'm trying as hard as possible to avoid being labeled like that.

  • I can't really say any more of what has pretty much already been said, here.

    @lattsam said: I know that looking at the way I type my posts, you may think I'm a troll, Fly. But I am not one. If I was really a troll, my message would have been something like "MAKE A NEW SAM AND MAX CARTOON BECAUSE THE CURRENT ONE SUX!!!!!1" I know how trolls operate, and I'm trying as hard as possible to avoid being labeled like that.

    Trolls don't operate all in the same way - they're not identified via typing quirk or subject matter, they're identified by attempting to get a major reaction out of anyone for the sake of enjoyment on their own terms.

    That aside, just think about the general standing everyone's given you. A lot of it is good and agreeable advice, and I'd like to see your opinion on it. Don't worry about saving face for the moment, and don't make yourself out to be unfairly judged (because in the majority of this thread, you really haven't been, sans one poster), just state your opinion on the topic matter itself.

    Or not. I don't have the right to tell you what to post.

  • @Jake said: If you want to formally pitch a concept its usually said that you should go through an agent. I don't know if that works very cleanly when you're pitching a third party on a different third party's content.



    Interesting.. I may have to hire an agent because I have an idea for this book called The Jake Rodkin story which I'd like to pitch to Random House..

  • I don't get it....

    lattsam, have you ever like, made any cartoons or ever created an idea and pitched to people before?

    Or are you just some 15 year old kid dreaming that one day you would do this?

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    @lattsam said: Maybe I should show a script of a potential episode to Steve Purcell first, and see if he'll give me his blessing. After all, it worked for the radio play! :D

    Should I do this or not?

    (Oh, and by the way, the series I want to pitch is NOT my abridged series, just to get that out of the way.)



    sounds like a good thing for robot chicken

  • How about instead of pitching your idea to Adult Swim after trying to get Steve's blessing, pitch your idea straight to Steve. It's the only realistic way to get the ball rolling on an idea such as this. It's a long-shot, sure, but far stranger things have happened in this industry.

    I say give it a go. What have you got to lose?

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