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  • People in this thread are making me partially LAWL. Complexity does not equate to quality from the average listener's perspective.

  • @DAISHI said: People in this thread are making me partially LAWL. Complexity does not equate to quality from the average listener's perspective.

    No, it doesn't. But some technicality/complexity mixed in with catchy/pleasant music is always nice. No, it doesn't directly equate to quality or enjoyment, but it can often enhance it if it's added to the music.

  • I technically agree. I've played music for... 24 years now? On piano, guitar, drums and a few other instruments. But Paul said the world wants simple love songs while Lennon wanted to experiment and I believe Paul was more revelatory in that respect, in the end.

  • @DAISHI said: People in this thread are making me partially LAWL. Complexity does not equate to quality from the average listener's perspective.

    This is true, but they don't have to answer to anyones musical taste but their own.

    Complexity's all well and good when it has a point other than gaudy showmanship. It obviously goes without saying that many renowned classical pieces are technical marvels, not just in terms of virtuoso musicianship but also composition, compelxity in these pieces means something and appeals to the everyman because of the rich tapesty it creates.

    @DAISHI said: I technically agree. I've played music for... 24 years now? On piano, guitar, drums and a few other instruments. But Paul said the world wants simple love songs while Lennon wanted to experiment and I believe Paul was more revelatory in that respect, in the end.

    That's all well and good, simple love songs are your bread and butter, but every so often you need to push boundaries to get somewhere new. Experimentation is how new genres are born, for better or worse.

    I loathe Dream Theatre though whilst we're half talking about them. It's just a bunch of lads dangling their music degrees in front of the audience with not a thought for melody or musical sensibility. The band members have spawned one song I like, and it was one of Petrucci's solo affairs. Even large sections of it are quite stinky though, but I cannot fault that main hook and melody. Technical but serves a point.

    He's still a souless music nerd though. :p

  • JedExodus. Never mention the one who should not be mentioned. And you are insane if you think she is number 1.

  • @JedExodus said: I loathe Dream Theater though whilst we're half talking about them. It's just a bunch of lads dangling their music degrees in front of the audience with not a thought for melody or musical sensibility. The band members have spawned one song I like, and it was one of Petrucci's solo affairs. Even large sections of it are quite stinky though, but I cannot fault that main hook and melody. Technical but serves a point.

    He's still a souless music nerd though. :p

    I'm just curious, what of Dream Theater's music have you actually heard? Because I've heard this opinion spouted quite often, and it's rarely expressed by people who have heard little of the band beyond, say, "Pull Me Under" and "Dark Eternal Night".

    I mean, I'm guessing you're basing your opinion of the band on a little more than most people do; you've probably explored them a bit more than most, since you've been able to stumble upon John Petrucci's solo work. But I just don't get the sentence "[they have no thought] for melody or musical sensibility." Because, personally, I find that they do pay attention to these things. Yes, admittedly they do take their opportunities for a bit of fretwankery, but I find that most of the soloing is generally done in a way that works with the music and lifts the song overall. And I find that even the complex, long, grandiloquent instrumental sections do hold some quite an amount of aesthetic appeal.

    Yes, they're showing off, but to say that they give "no thought to melody or musical sensibility" is just wrong. It's the difference between that Animals As Leaders track I reviewed over in the 'Rate the Last Song(s) You Heard' thread, and one of the solos out of "Blind Faith". Sure, they're both fast and showy, but I certainly know which one has some life to it, and has an actual purpose.

    And, as for the purely melodic side of things, go listen to a song like "Solitary Shell" and tell me that melody hasn't been given any consideration here.

    And then there's tracks such as "These Walls", which is focused primarily on the creating a cohesive, succinct, self-contained song; it's song-orientated, rather than jam-orientated, and you'll find tracks like this scattered throughout DT's discography.

    Sorry to bombard you with links and verbose counter-arguments, but I just think that what you said was unfair and... well, wrong. That, and I'm highly defensive of the things that I enjoy a lot. Sorry for that :).

  • @Hayden said: Sorry to bombard you with links and verbose counter-arguments, but I just think that what you said was unfair and... well, wrong. That, and I'm highly defensive of the things that I enjoy a lot. Sorry for that :).

    Not at all! Always good to shoot the shit with someone, even if you don't see eye to eye. :)

    You're absolutely right, I was being unfair. DT aren't always whoring it up with indulgent showboating, they can hold back and put together a coherent song. BUT, and of course there's a but, when they do it's just not interesting. There's the odd good wee riff here and there, and even some solo's I would classify as 'good' (get me being the snob, right? :p) but it's just all very so-so.

    To me the songs are still just a platform to showcase the skillz of the band, so the content there that's more restrained is just a bit dull to me. It's probably a by-product of myself being brought up on Punk Rock and two minute songs, but every second should count!! If you don't have the content then don't pad your song out with so-so stuff.

    To me this is an example of the perfect rock song. The style may not be for everyone but it meets my criteria

    -there's not a wasted moment
    -kicks ass
    -there's always something interesting happening (harmonies, octave chords, changes from minor to major, chunky riffs, drum fills, solos etc.)
    -musicianship is tight
    -doesn't outstay its welcome
    -has that special unqantifiable quality that makes a great piece
    -kicks ass

  • @JedExodus said: To me this is an example of the perfect rock song. The style may not be for everyone but it meets my criteria

    I dunno. This is a better rock song in my opinion.

  • It just became apparent that I have different tastes from JedExodus in music.

  • @DAISHI said: It just became apparent that I have different tastes from JedExodus in music.

    JedExodus doesn't want to sound like a total tit, but he has something of an eclectic musical taste.

    @DAISHI said: I dunno. This is a better rock song in my opinion.

    "Made from pressure heat and water" is stuck in my head now.

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