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I looked and didn't see a thread like this, so I'm making one. Hopefully if the mods don't shut it down, you can all join me in this Anger Management class. Any stuff that pisses you off and you need to bitch about, whack it here.

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So my Dad has an incredibly annoying habit of buying Christmas presents himself and then letting other people give them to him. He reasons that this means he definitely gets things that he wants, and other people don't have to worry about what to get him.

You can probably see where this is going.

Yep, I discovered today that the two main presents I got him, a pair of DVDs, are ones he's already bought for himself. I am so angry at the man I could just scream. And did (thankfully the house was empty or my mother would have had serious words at me).

All I've got left to give him are a few 'jokey' presents. And a mug. Woo. Almost tempted to keep them all for myself and just get him some coal, the git.

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  • If you say so. Don't let me stand in the way of people intentionally sounding like idiots. I'm sure the corporate world really loves for people who are supposed to sound professional in their jobs to speak and write like they only have a 5th grade education.

    My parents are Social Security Disability attorneys. Maybe they should start writing all their briefs in leetspeak. I'll bet the courts would find them very knowledgeable if they did.

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    @Chyron8472 said: If you say so. Don't let me stand in the way of people intentionally sounding like idiots. I'm sure the corporate world really loves for people who are supposed to sound professional in their jobs to speak and write like they only have a 5th grade education.

    Read my comments again, I have reserved a special place for the "corporate world". ;)

    Also, read.

  • @Vainamoinen said: Read my comments again, I have reserved a special place for the "corporate world". ;)

    People can't "dress up their language" if they don't even know what the heck they're doing wrong or how to correct it.

    And I'm not racially prejudiced, I disapprove of people saying that because someone is ignorant of the rules they are ultimately not wrong when they breaking them.

  • @Chyron8472 said: If you say so. Don't let me stand in the way of people intentionally sounding like idiots.

    Don't worry. I don't hold it against you.

    Also, since I just like expounding on this topic, (spoken) Standard American English is actually simply upper-midwestern dialect from the 1950s. It was adopted, in rather arbitrary fashion, by the news networks once broadcasting began to become more national rather than local. The written form of American English was (largely) codified by Noah Webster (you know, Webster from Miriam & Webster's Dictionary) as an attempt to separate American English from British, for mainly nationalistic reasons. :: screen goes black :: The more you know...

  • So, you're basically saying that no one should bother to put any effort at all into learning how to speak their native language properly. In the end no one should give a shit about it anyway, and if they do then they're ultimately the ignorant ones and should pull the stick out their collective asses.

  • @Chyron8472 said: So, you're basically saying that no one should bother to put any effort at all into learning how to speak their native language properly. In the end no one should give a shit about it anyway, and if they do then they're ultimately the ignorant ones and should pull the stick out their collective asses.

    No. People are free to speak however they want. If you want to speak in a certain way, then by all means do. It's just that the type of language you learn in school, while perfectly valid, is simply a style and register of speech. There's nothing about it that's inherently more correct than any other way of speaking that is understood. If you're actually interested in learning more about this, (particularly in light of your comments on style-shifting in a corporate environment) you can read some of Allan Bell's work, such as this (a bit out of date, but still relevant).

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    @Chyron8472 said: People can't "dress up their language" if they don't even know what the heck they're doing wrong or how to correct it.

    And I'm not racially prejudiced, I disapprove of people saying that because someone is ignorant of the rules they are ultimately not wrong when they breaking them.

    You unfortunately fail to see that language varieties that are accepted in some social groups, complex varieties of English that fully function to convey even the most complicated meanings, are not accepted and thought of as stupid by speakers of other language varieties.

    You are correct to assume that speakers used to a certain variety are not necessarily able to use another at will, which they are simply less familiar with. We all know that there is a language barrier in social rise. These people might learn what is acceptable in the English "standard" language and what isn't. They would learn new rules, arbitrary language rules which happen to communicate a different social status. But damn, that doesn't make their own way of speaking "wrong" or "broken".

    If your parents tried to write their briefs in leetspeak (a WRITTEN language convention, not SPOKEN!!), the court would deem it inappropriate because they would insist on their own written language conventions, and they would deem it insulting because of the failure to adhere to their own written language conventions. The example is a bad one, but you might see leetspeak as a sociolect used by a certain group to identify and socialise with members of the same group. Adressing the court in leetspeak would be like speaking German on this forum. I'd use a fully functional language, but it just would not be appropriate and not necessarily understood.

    "Wrong" or "stupid"? Comes in nowhere here.

    @Chyron8472 said: So, you're basically saying that no one should bother to put any effort at all into learning how to speak their native language properly.

    I think we're basically saying that "their native language" can mean a whole lot of things. Especially when it's a form of English.

  • Me ðynceþ ðæt we ealle scyle gieta þus sprecan.

  • Isn't this supposed to be general bitching? Getting way to specific for my tastes!!

  • I'm just ignoring them until this whole mess blows over.

    Here's a genuine bitch - there's too many Indie Bundles! I'd be happy to support one or two, but there's so gaddamn many that I'm getting turned off to the whole idea. I mean come on! I just gave a bunch to Double Fine, and now there's another Music Bundle? Jesus! And in a couple of days the Valentines Bundle'll be up and gah! I AM NOT MADE OF MONEY.

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