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  • @BagginsKQ said: http://uk.gamespy.com/articles/104/1041283p1.html

    I'm not sure I agree with this guy's premise...

    7. "King's Quest: See No Weevil" by Kenyon Morr

    "King's Quest: See No Weevil" makes this list for two reasons.

    First, "See No Weevil?" Really? What, did you think of the title first? How about "King's Quest: An Unbearable Problem With Bears?" Or "King's Quest: Foxy Valanice is Turned into a Fox, Get It?"

    Second, this is the penultimate title in the entire King's Quest franchise, the last being King's Quest: Mask of Eternity. This book murdered the series and Mask Of Eternity pooped in its skull. What was once a bright spot in the computer gaming world turned into a generic fantasy setting filled with annoying princesses and generic heroes. Or, as it's better known, Everquest.

    As for the story, Rosella, the Jar Jar Binks of the King's Quest universe, is forced to watch over Daventry when Graham and Valanice leave town. Hilarity ensues because Rosella is a teenaged girl and, well, you know teenaged girls!

    Let me repeat that: The last novel in the King's Quest series is literally about the most beloved characters leaving the most hated character alone to do whatever she wants. It's sort of like how my favorite episodes of "Star Trek" were the ones where Wesley Crusher went sweater shopping.

    I agree. People assume that Rosella is a much weaker character in KQ7 than in KQ4, but the truth is that Rosella doesn't have that much dialogue or emotional narrative in KQ4. So, because she's mostly a "silent heroine" for KQ4, most people attribute personality to her in that game that it's never clear she had.

    Besides that, Rosella is not Jar Jar Binks. The problem with Jar Jar (aside from his racially derogatory traits) is that he exists purely for the purpose of providing low-brow slapstick humor when the Original Trilogy's humor stemmed from the interactions between the characters. In a nutshell, Jar Jar is hated because he dumbs down Star Wars.

    Rosella, on the other hand, is a character for whom it is perfectly reasonable to like and she fits just fine into the series. The fact is, however, that many people seem to like being on the Troll-KQ7-bandwagon, and so give her character undue hatred primarily because it's popular.

  • While I'm not entirely fond of her personality in KQ7, and that is my least favorite KQ game (for its style and silliness), that does not mean I dislike her as a character...

    KQ4 is one of my top favorite KQ games, on a given day... She is a pretty strong character in that game (no stronger or weaker than any other KQ characters in their respective games though), what little she says, or the game describes her as saying...

    There are only a couple of spots where the game describes her "princessessy" personality, such as when she kisses the frog, or her reaction to the snobbish prince... But those personalities are similar to the princess in the same situation in the Frog Prince and similar fairy tale stories... Though some of the roles were reversed in Rosella's version of the story! ...or the kind of joke reaction to Edgar described in the narration as a 'hunk' (even going as far of her strongly thinkign of eloping with him at first sight), then finally blowing him off...

    There isn't even much you can pull from her personality in Hoyle I, that's negative either;

    http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Rosella_quotes_(Hoyle_I)

    Also while I'm critical of KQ7, I don't hate the game... It being my least favorite, should not equate to total dislike or hatred. It was still a fun game...

    I'm also fairly critical of KQ3 for other reasons (its weaknesses, lack of true puzzles, etc), but that doesn't mean I hate the game. I had alot fun with it...

  • @Chyron8472 said: The fact is, however, that many people seem to like being on the Troll-KQ7-bandwagon, and so give her character undue hatred primarily because it's popular.

    So, only people who like KQ7 are capable of honest evaluation, and anyone who disagrees is doing so because it's popular. Do you like living in denial?

    @Chyron8472 said: People assume that Rosella is a much weaker character in KQ7 than in KQ4, but the truth is that Rosella doesn't have that much dialogue or emotional narrative in KQ4. So, because she's mostly a "silent heroine" for KQ4, most people attribute personality to her in that game that it's never clear she had.

    It's fairly standard to regard a male character who undertakes arduous quests -- even or especially those who say little and have few emotional reactions -- as being valiant and resolute. So is there any cause for doubt as to whether KQ4 Rosella was a strong heroine -- any reason to believe she might have been whiny and self-centered just like KQ7 Rosella -- other than the fact that she's female?

    @Chyron8472 said: I'm not sure I agree with this guy's premise...

    I agree with you, Baggins -- I don't know what the writer is basing that statement on. I don't "hate" KQ7 or KQ7 Rosella, even though to me the KQ4 version will always be the "real" Rosella. And I've never seen any widespread hatred of Rosella in the KQ fanbase...

  • Also I have read See No Weevil... She is pretty much a blend of her KQ4 and KQ7 characterizations...

    Each source has a touch of the 'proud pretty princess' of fairy tales motif... SNW is no different...

    She is still very strong and strong-willed character. She makes mistakes, she admits to them, and she goes out and fixes them... In the end she earns respect from her peers, and citizens... It is in my opinion a reasonable and realistic interpretation of how Rosella would have been before she grew into the girl we know in KQ4 and KQ7 (or even the little we see in KQ3, 5, and 6), and Hoyle.

    But there are elements mostly towards the beginning, where she is a little 'whiny', not anymore than Rosella's "Ewwwwwwwwww" remarks in KQ7, over bugs and dead things (which ironically she gives similar remarks over bugs and dead things in See No Weevil)...

  • @thom-22 said: So, only people who like KQ7 are capable of honest evaluation, and anyone who disagrees is doing so because it's popular. Do you like living in denial?

    No. People who would attribute Rosella's character in KQ7 (regardless of the game itself) as being worthy of comparing her to Jar Jar Binks--when clearly they don't consider why Jar Jar is so hated--are clearly either trolling, or else bitching because other people complain about KQ7 in general, and they want to join in on the fun by exaggerating a complaint to a ridiculous degree.

  • @Chyron8472 said: I agree. People assume that Rosella is a much weaker character in KQ7 than in KQ4, but the truth is that Rosella doesn't have that much dialogue or emotional narrative in KQ4. So, because she's mostly a "silent heroine" for KQ4, most people attribute personality to her in that game that it's never clear she had.

    Besides that, Rosella is not Jar Jar Binks. The problem with Jar Jar (aside from his racially derogatory traits) is that he exists purely for the purpose of providing low-brow slapstick humor when the Original Trilogy's humor stemmed from the interactions between the characters. In a nutshell, Jar Jar is hated because he dumbs down Star Wars.

    Rosella, on the other hand, is a character for whom it is perfectly reasonable to like and she fits just fine into the series. The fact is, however, that many people seem to like being on the Troll-KQ7-bandwagon, and so give her character undue hatred primarily because it's popular.

    I don't hate Rosella as a character. I just hate what they did to her character in King's Quest 7. You're right, she had little dialogue in King's Quest 4, but the little dialogue she had still presented her as a strong character. I see her more like an Eowyn, from Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings," minus a sword and chain mail. Seven did turn her into a Saturday morning-like cartoon character, which helped ruin the game. To this day, I see King's Quest 4 as one of the very best King's Quest games. I hope when people think of Rosella they think of KQ4, not 7.

  • Seems like the writer of that article was trying way too hard to be funny... Failing IMHO.

  • Come on AdventureGamer, you are exaggerating a bit too much... Sure she has her 'whiny/squeemish bits' in KQ7, but she evolves throughout the story, and turns out to be the main heroine in the game... The strong heroine who defeats the villain, rescues the Troll king, save Edgar, and saves the world... Rosella is nothing but respectful to most of the characters she encounters in the world...

    Valanice's purpose is mainly to restore the leadership of Etheria and Eldritch, rescue Mab, Ceries, Attis, Vlad Tepes, Elspeth, Oberon, and Titania, so that they can hold back the volcano, and so that the royal family can reunite with their son...

    Also case in point we know that Rosella has her 'whiny/squeemish/teenage bits' in KQ4 described by the narrator... Her reaction to kissing a frog, her reaction to Edgar, her later reaction to the 'humanized' Edgar, etc...

    But its never that overdone...

  • @BagginsKQ said: Come on AdventureGamer, you are exaggerating a bit too much... Sure she has her 'whiny/squeemish bits' in KQ7, but she evolves throughout the story, and turns out to be the main heroine in the game... The strong heroine who defeats the villain, rescues the Troll king, save Edgar, and saves the world... Rosella is nothing but respectful to most of the characters she encounters in the world...

    Valanice's purpose is mainly to restore the leadership of Etheria and Eldritch, rescue Mab, Ceries, Attis, Vlad Tepes, Elspeth, Oberon, and Titania, so that they can hold back the volcano, and so that the royal family can reunite with their son...

    Also case in point we know that Rosella has her 'whiny/squeemish/teenage bits' in KQ4 described by the narrator... Her reaction to kissing a frog, her reaction to Edgar, her later reaction to the 'humanized' Edgar, etc...

    But its never that overdone...

    Touche, Baggins! I stand corrected. She certainly did have her whiney bits in KQ4. How could have I not remembered all that? To be honest, I appreciate you pointing that all out. Still, I think they made seven way too cartoony than it needed to be. And the villain could have been better. But yeah, you are right on the points about Rosella being a bit bratty in four. Again, I have no shame in admitting when I'm wrong.

  • Adventuregamer, I don't disagree that as a whole KQ7 is way too cartoony than it needs to be...

    In some cases that has to do with B-grade animation studios being used for some of the animation, not even Disney or Don Bluth A-grade quality... It goes more towards the Looney Tunes physics than 'realism'...

    Also I don't disagree about Malicia being the weakest villain in the entire series...

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