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What about KQ appeals to you?

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What do you love about KQ--What do you love most? What draws you to the series, what are it's best points/features/etc? What drew you to it originally, and with what game did you first meet the series?

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  • Schproing! I like that quote. He nails it.


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  • Well Chyron it might be worse depending on ones perspective (she may not be a blood relation, but a former member of the Black Cloaks and her reference to "father" may be a reference to her position in The Family);

    http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/The_Family_(unofficial)

    The Family is an organization within the Black Cloak Society (unofficial)[1] The 'father' is a position within the Family. Those under the father are known as 'brothers' and 'sisters'. Manannan (unofficial) would give anything for their father’s love. The world does not suspect that the Society has reformed, their father strikes when the world is least prepared.[2] There are apparently several fathers and mothers in the organization. The Family asks for complete commitment. It is their way: one must give and give to their brothers and sisters, to their mothers and fathers.”[3]

    The Witch of the Dark Forest (unofficial) and Lucreto (unofficial) searched out for members of the Family in order to join the Black Cloak Society. They became initiates within the Family.

    http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/The_Father_(unofficial)

    "The 'father' is a position within The Family (unofficial), a suborganization within the Black Cloak Society (unofficial). Those under the father are known as 'brothers' and 'sisters'. Manannan (unofficial) would give anything for their father’s love. The world does not suspect that the Society has reformed, their father strikes when the world is least prepared.[1] There are apparently several fathers and mothers in the organization. The Family asks for complete commitment. It is their way: one must give and give to their brothers and sisters, to their mothers and fathers, proving they are part of the Family.”[2]" (see The Four Winds)

    http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Cloak_Society_(unofficial)

    Who knows, its way too complicated...

    Although from my perspective, both teams have basically done much the same things to the characters and the universe... AGDI just got to the warping first...

    The evil society thing was hardly touched on in the official games, and wasn't even considered that important. The problem is every fan fiction writer under the son, decided to go with it... This goes back to even before AGDI got aroudn to it! Cassima's Quest a fan fiction story from back in 1997 or so, even has its own interpretation of 'the father' and 'mother' idea...! As in the first member of the Black Cloak society, who had been cursed, to form the society! The father and mother were the parents of Manannan, Hagatha, and Mordack! Shadrack was their uncle... It was shadrack who made the curse in the first place. :P

  • To me, The Father exists only to explain why all these crazy things keep happening to the royal family. No more, no less.

    In a way, it makes more sense when one tries to say that their need to go on all these quests is caused by a deliberate act rather than coincidental. That's why I don't hate him. His action makes somewhat sense to the story. (Seriously--Alexander only met Cassima once, for a few minutes, and can't stop thinking about her.)

    For TSL to do what I previously mentioned (*grrr*) makes no sense, adds nothing interesting to the canon titles, and has no reason to exist other than to complicate things that shouldn't be complicated.

  • To me, The Father exists only to explain why all these crazy things keep happening to the royal family. No more, no less.

    In a way, it makes more sense when one tries to say that their need to go on all these quests is caused by a deliberate act rather than coincidental. That's why I don't hate him. His action makes somewhat sense to the story. (Seriously--Alexander only met Cassima once, for a few minutes, and can't stop thinking about her.)

    In my opinion that's a horrible 'fan fiction' idea (which has been a fan fiction idea since nearly the late 90s, and AGDI reused the idea)... Why does everything need to be 'tied together'? Why must their be a crazy organization, connected to everything? It's incredibly cheesy. Why must everything be made complicated?

    It seems almost hypocritical for someone to praise one fan group doing it, while condemning another fan group for doing it! I'm personally not a fan of being done in general.

    In anycase, did you know that Lucreto was the original official KQ character to be given the title The Father? Within KQ8? He was only The Father in the spiritual sense, in that Satan was also considered 'The Father of Lies', aka, 'your father, the devil'.

  • @BagginsKQ said: In my opinion that's a horrible 'fan fiction' idea (which has been a fan fiction idea since nearly the late 90s, and AGDI reused the idea)... Why does everything need to be 'tied together'? Why must their be a crazy organization, connected to everything? It's incredibly cheesy. Why must everything be made complicated?

    When I think of The Father, I don't think of the Society of the Black Cloak. I think of the curse. The curse that makes King Graham have a heart attack mere seconds after reuniting with his son and cause Alexander to obsess over a woman he briefly only met once.

    In anycase, did you know that Lucreto was the original official KQ character to be given the title The Father? Within MoE?

    Fixed.

    I have not played MoE. I did watch a Let's Play of it, but I don't remember that part.

  • When I think of The Father, I don't think of the Society of the Black Cloak. I think of the curse. The curse that makes King Graham have a heart attack mere seconds after reuniting with his son and cause Alexander to obsess over a woman he briefly only met once.

    Which is just as freaking silly. KQ4 explains the heart attack well enough. It was the stress of nearly losing his daughter and kingdom to the dragon over the years. As well as the joy of the return of his children... There is no reason to add 'superstition' or 'magic' to the explanation... Its way to complicated...

    Also remember, Graham obssessed over a women he only saw once... Just as much... No need to 'explain' that as the 'Fathers' doing It's very silly... However, on the other end Valancie fell for Graham at first sight, and married at the same time! Oh let's not forget, even Edward obsessed over Dahlia whome he only saw once... Although I suppose in that situation it can be argued, he was bewitched by her... According to the narration in KQ4, even Rosella strongly thought about running away with Edgar (after seeing his human side for the first time), but saving her father was too important for her to go through with that idea... Of course Obviously, Edgar fell for her when he first saw her... Let's also not forget, Cassima wasn't cursed, but she fell for Alexander at first sight as well!

    Love at first sight is a classic fairy tale trope... It doesn't need a real world explanation, nor a magical one...

    But ugh, both AGDI and TSL use the same idea explain why or how Graham got together with Valancie :p... Manipulation by the Black Cloak Society... (in both cases the Society manipulated the Magic Mirror to show Graham a vision, so he'd be drawn to Kolyma). They also use it to explain why Edgar and Rosella were brought together, they both explain why Cassima and Alexander were brought together, in their machinations for world dominance... As do half the fan fiction stories that use the Society out there, and have their own 'fathers' and 'mothers', and whatever crap....
    Fixed.

    I have not played MoE. I did watch a Let's Play of it, but I don't remember that part.

    It's does not need to be 'fixed'. The game is known as KQ8. Even in the files, there are references to the game being "8" (as in folders 8bit which hold the 16-bit bitmap ".bmp" artwork, and the 8gui, which hold the graphic user interface files), and the official Sierra patches were KQ8Patch1.exe, and KQ8Patch2.exe made after the game's release. Not to mention Activision now calling it KQ8... Even Sierra's own Interaction Magazine called it KQ8 after its release...

    Even Roberta and Ken William to this day, call it King's Quest 8. She nearly always referred to it as KQ8 in interviews after the game's release...

  • If you're going to have the Black Cloak Society be a facet of a KQ game, there are several better ways to go about it:
    -There is no overarching thing tying them together outside of them being a group of evil individuals. There is no prophecy and not everything that ever happened (for example, Graham having a heart attack) was the result of a BCS member. The Royal Family (and Connor) just happens to foil the BCS' goals at every turn...Not because of fate or destiny or a prophecy. Just pure coincidence because The Royal Family are the good guys.
    -The BCS isn't a tightly bound organization with a "Father", more like just a loose, huge association of people with similar motivations, whose goals perhaps overlap at certain times. They don't always talk about their individual plots with each other either--They could scheme to "one up" the other. A very loose confederation. Again, nothing to do with any prophecies. Their history does not need explaining, they don't have any ties to the Royal Family except in that the Royal Family has just gotten in the way several times.
    -The BCS doesn't include every villain from the series, only Alhazred, Mordack and, Manannan. Manannan didn't steal Alex for any particular reason except that he was a wicked cruel bastard. The other villains are just plain old fashioned evil people who have no tie to any other bad guy and whose only aim/motivation is pure and simple to be evil/get power/etc. No complexities.

    You don't want to turn the Black Cloak Society into the "Starcon" of the KQ series---an albatross around the series, restricting possible stories.

  • The only way I want to see Black Cloak Society tackled again, if it is tackled in an official game;

    Is to reveal Shadrack. His character should be limited to that game, and that game only, and defeated... If he makes token references to characters/events from previous games, it should only be to Mordack, and Abdul Alhazred alone. As that is the limits of his references in KQ6.

    Manannan is loose possible reference, since Shadrack probably would have known him through his meetings iwth Mordack, as Manannan the cat was living on the island with him, and its likely that Abdul Alhazred knew about Manannan as well. But still those references should be limited.

    Shadrack should have his own plot, that a hero would foil... In a nice stand alone sort of way, with actual closure (no open ended cliffhangers).

    In no way do I want to see a retread of 'every villain' in the series is a member of the Black Cloaks... It might even be interesting if Mordack isn't a member... That the organization is seperate entity but have had interactions with the dark Wizard in the past....

    Also Shadrack need not be the 'leader of the organization'.... But just an equal to people like Abdul Alhazred. A twist would be that Abdul actually was the leader!

  • @BagginsKQ said: Also Shadrack need not be the 'leader of the organization'.... But just an equal to people like Abdul Alhazred. A twist would be that Abdul actually was the leader!

    No surprise twists like that. Let's not go into M. Night Shmyalan territory.

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