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Bags of Hammers The Duck Support Group

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OK its high time Duck gets his own support group! I mean surely I'm not the only one who thinks Duck is awesome and should live..am I?

Duck seems to me like the kind of kid who may be a card short of a full deck but has a heart of gold. I'd like to see Clem take him under her wing so to speak. Clem should protect Duck and teach him things ya know, kinda like a big sister would do!:D

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  • @Sisterofshane said: I find it creepier that there are a handful of people on here that would like to see a child die for the sole purpose of him not being "smart".

    Yeah, I find removing a detriment to the group and the Human Race's Gene pool, who just happens to be a 10 year old boy, during a survival situation, less creepy than borderline paedo worship of said child... Just saying.

    Killing a fictional character is, by it's nature, less creepy than fetishizing it...

  • @CapnJay said: OR and this is a shot in the dark. Maybe he's catatonic because he realized he ate a person

    Duck: I ate a dude and I liked it,
    the taste of his cherry nailgloss.
    I ate a dude just to try it,
    I hope my parents don't mind it.
    It felt so wrong,
    it felt so right.
    Don't mean I like the St Johns tonight.
    I ate a dude and I liked it (I liked it).

  • @Death689God said: Killing a fictional character is, by it's nature, less creepy than fetishizing it...

    That's diminishing what you are actually advocating, while misrepresenting the people on this thread.

    Having a "favorite" character in a story, be it a child, zombie, WHATEVER is the purpose of these support threads. Most of what we say is good natured, meant to poke fun at the character's identity, and the fact that we like them above all other characters. No one here has "Duck" or "Clementine" shrines in their house. We just respect the writer's ability to make a fictional character that we can relate to.

    I think it takes much more "creepiness" to imagine wanting a CHILD dead, even if it is a fictional child. I think it's fine to say you don't like the kid, whatever, but promoting his death because of his supposed lack of intelligence? That's quite telling.

  • @Sisterofshane said: I think it takes much more "creepiness" to imagine wanting a CHILD dead, even if it is a fictional child. I think it's fine to say you don't like the kid, whatever, but promoting his death because of his supposed lack of intelligence? That's quite telling.

    Whose twisting things now? I'm pretty sure I had three reasons up there.

    I wouldn't argue it's ruthless. But there's a lot more to it. He's a threat. He's already caused the death of one person, how much longer until he traps Clementine under a tractor? What if he grows up and has kids of his own? He's clearly mentally handicapped, his genetic line is a burden on the human species trying to survive. Unlike Clementine, whose helpful and saved you on multiple occasions by episode 2, He's dead weight and a drain on resources.

    Name a single positive thing Duck has done, name all of the Pros for keeping him in the group and then all of the Cons... It's a survival situation, and that means a lot of these "morals" you hold on to are thrown out the window for the sake of survival.

    Duck being gone increases the group, (and due to genetics) humanities chance to survive the Zombie Apocalypse. It's Purely Logical. The fact he's annoying just makes the Tough Choice and easier one to make. :cool:

  • @Death689God said: Whose twisting things now? I'm pretty sure I had three reasons up there.

    I wouldn't argue it's ruthless. But there's a lot more to it. He's a threat. He's already caused the death of one person, how much longer until he traps Clementine under a tractor? What if he grows up and has kids of his own? He's clearly mentally handicapped, his genetic line is a burden on the human species trying to survive. Unlike Clementine, whose helpful and saved you on multiple occasions by episode 2, He's dead weight and a drain on resources.

    Name a single positive thing Duck has done, name all of the Pros for keeping him in the group and then all of the Cons... It's a survival situation, and that means a lot of these "morals" you hold on to are thrown out the window for the sake of survival.

    Duck being gone increases the group, (and due to genetics) humanities chance to survive the Zombie Apocalypse. It's Purely Logical. The fact he's annoying just makes the Tough Choice and easier one to make. :cool:

    Actually, when I quoted that, you DIDN'T have any reasons up there.:p

    And way to be melodramatic. Duck may not be smart, but he's also just a kid. Clementine I believe is the exception to the rule, and as a result she suffers this burden of losing her innocence far before her time. I personally believe that, were the apocalypse to actually happen, more young kids would tend to behave like Duck as opposed to Clementine. It's more of a cultural thing than one of intelligence (longer life spans attributing to children maturing slower than when the average human life was only about 40 years), heck, for that matter, I think a lot of sixteen year olds would behave less maturely than Clementine (just look at Ben!). So, for gosh sakes, it's only been three months since the end of the world started! At least give the children a chance to "grow up" (both mentally AND physically) before you start to judge them based on their "merits" to the group.

    Besides, we could apply your harsh logic to every member of the group, and from a staunch "survival" point of view, every single one of them would have to go. Everyone makes mistakes. However, they shouldn't be executed just because you think they are a "drag" on your survival. Especially because no one is forcing you to stay with them in the first place. If you really thought that another member of the group you were in was going to get you killed, then leave that group. Simple, easy, you upped your survival chances and nobody else has to die. Even the people here who thought they were honestly going to let Larry, the man you tries to murder you, die no matter what, tried to save his life, because they saw MERIT in the life of another human being. So advocating the death of Duck, but not anybody else who has put your life directly in danger (including Clem, because as capable as she is, you've still had to rescue her plenty of times) is a bit hypocritical.

  • @Sisterofshane said: Actually, when I quoted that, you DIDN'T have any reasons up there.:p

    And way to be melodramatic. Duck may not be smart, but he's also just a kid. Clementine I believe is the exception to the rule, and as a result she suffers this burden of losing her innocence far before her time. I personally believe that, were the apocalypse to actually happen, more young kids would tend to behave like Duck as opposed to Clementine. It's more of a cultural thing than one of intelligence (longer life spans attributing to children maturing slower than when the average human life was only about 40 years), heck, for that matter, I think a lot of sixteen year olds would behave less maturely than Clementine (just look at Ben!). So, for gosh sakes, it's only been three months since the end of the world started! At least give the children a chance to "grow up" (both mentally AND physically) before you start to judge them based on their "merits" to the group.

    Besides, we could apply your harsh logic to every member of the group, and from a staunch "survival" point of view, every single one of them would have to go. Everyone makes mistakes. However, they shouldn't be executed just because you think they are a "drag" on your survival. Especially because no one is forcing you to stay with them in the first place. If you really thought that another member of the group you were in was going to get you killed, then leave that group. Simple, easy, you upped your survival chances and nobody else has to die. Even the people here who thought they were honestly going to let Larry, the man you tries to murder you, die no matter what, tried to save his life, because they saw MERIT in the life of another human being. So advocating the death of Duck, but not anybody else who has put your life directly in danger (including Clem, because as capable as she is, you've still had to rescue her plenty of times) is a bit hypocritical.

    "Originally Posted by Death689God View Post
    He killed my bromance with Shawn, he annoyed a distraught Clem-Clem, and He's too Dumb to Live... It's pretty easy to see why he's so hated. XD"
    This post, not the most recent one you replied to.

    No, you don't get it, Duck isn't average kid stupid. he clearly is riding the Short Bus, he kinda seems like he has Aspergers. Also, you're wrong on longer lifespans being children growing up slower. It's because of medical care and better standards of living, which is similarly the reason we're taller as well. (A 5'8 Man would be tall by 600 years ago's standards.)

    Actually, by my cold Logic, only Kenny, Duck, and Larry would have to go.

    PS: I saved Lary's life because I wasn't going to let another one of my people die. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer him as Zombie Bait if another Sadistic Doug/Carley type deal went down... Which is what I'm talking about... Duck's going the first chance I can get.

  • @Death689God said: "Originally Posted by Death689God View Post
    He killed my bromance with Shawn, he annoyed a distraught Clem-Clem, and He's too Dumb to Live... It's pretty easy to see why he's so hated. XD"
    This post, not the most recent one you replied to.

    Also, you're wrong on longer lifespans being children growing up slower. It's because of medical care and better standards of living, which is similarly the reason we're taller as well. (A 5'8 Man would be tall by 600 years ago's standards.)

    Actually, by my cold Logic, only Kenny, Duck, and Larry would have to go.

    PS: I saved Lary's life because I wasn't going to let another one of my people die. Doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer him as Zombie Bait if another Sadistic Doug/Carley type deal went down... Which is what I'm talking about... Duck's going the first chance I can get.

    Those reasons are worse than the ones that I mistook for your reasons, so you're not really helping your case.

    And you're also mistaking physical growth for mental and cultural growth. In all actuality, most children reach "physical maturity" at around the same time as they did since the dawn of time - usually pre-teen through teen years. MENTALLY though, children today have less responsibility and less exposure to "danger" and "reality" than children of previous generations. For example, most people would agree that you aren't really mentally prepared for marriage and children until you are AT LEAST in your twenties (there are always exceptions, but this is the general idea, no?). Ancient Egyptians used to get married by the time they were 12, some earlier than that, and most girls had their first child by the time they were teenagers. This is because they only lived to be about 50-60 years old, and culturally, the more children you had, the better chance you had that one would survive long enough to have children of it's own. Nowadays, in western culture, the average lifespan is pushing 80-100 years, and with the ability to artificially compensate for lack of fertility, the need to have children at such a young age isn't necessary. The need for children to accept adult responsibilities has been adjusted accordingly.

    No, you don't get it, Duck isn't average kid stupid. he clearly is riding the Short Bus, he kinda seems like he has Aspergers.

    This is disgusting. Please don't have children, if you really feel this way. Better yet, volunteer to work with children who really are handicapped, so at least you will be able to tell the difference of someone who is living with a disability.

    Let's try not to confuse innocence for lack of intelligence.

  • @Sisterofshane said: Those reasons are worse than the ones that I mistook for your reasons, so you're not really helping your case.

    And you're also mistaking physical growth for mental and cultural growth. In all actuality, most children reach "physical maturity" at around the same time as they did since the dawn of time - usually pre-teen through teen years. MENTALLY though, children today have less responsibility and less exposure to "danger" and "reality" than children of previous generations. For example, most people would agree that you aren't really mentally prepared for marriage and children until you are AT LEAST in your twenties (there are always exceptions, but this is the general idea, no?). Ancient Egyptians used to get married by the time they were 12, some earlier than that, and most girls had their first child by the time they were teenagers. This is because they only lived to be about 50-60 years old, and culturally, the more children you had, the better chance you had that one would survive long enough to have children of it's own. Nowadays, in western culture, the average lifespan is pushing 80-100 years, and with the ability to artificially compensate for lack of fertility, the need to have children at such a young age isn't necessary. The need for children to accept adult responsibilities has been adjusted accordingly.

    This is disgusting. Please don't have children, if you really feel this way. Better yet, volunteer to work with children who really are handicapped, so at least you will be able to tell the difference of someone who is living with a disability.

    Let's try not to confuse innocence for lack of intelligence.

    Which is exactly the kind of environment Clementine and Duck are growing up in. Once again, it's the Apocalypse.

    Don't mistake me, I'm not saying he has a severe case of it, but I know someone with a mild case and Duck reminds me of this person. And if you're curious, yes, if the Apocalypse came this person would be low on my list of priorities.

  • @Death689God said: Which is exactly the kind of environment Clementine and Duck are growing up in. Once again, it's the Apocalypse.

    Don't mistake me, I'm not saying he has a severe case of it, but I know someone with a mild case and Duck reminds me of this person. And if you're curious, yes, if the Apocalypse came this person would be low on my list of priorities.

    Nice that you got your priority's right. I mean, helping people because they are people? So last year. Now it's all about absolute survival at all costs, and anyone who can't help quite as much doesn't deserve to live. :rolleyes:

  • @Merc said: Nice that you got your priority's right. I mean, helping people because they are people? So last year. Now it's all about absolute survival at all costs, and anyone who can't help quite as much doesn't deserve to live. :rolleyes:

    I wonder if you'd keep that sort of Enthusiasm and Morality if you were actually in that situation... Who knows, maybe you would, Zombie Bait. :p

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