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In your first playthrough did you...

posted by Sisterofshane on - last edited - Viewed by 2.3K users

...both chop off the teacher's leg, and side with Lilly in the meat locker? What were the exact circumstances behind each dilemma that you faced?

For an example, I will tell you what happened in MY first playthrough of episode 2. I didn't immediately chop off the teacher's leg. I first tried to hit the chain with the axe, and after that failed to do ANY visible damage, I then tried to pry open the trap by force. It was at this point Kenny said "Do something now or ..." (and I honestly don't remember EVERYTHING he said, because of the heat of the moment). At this point, I decided to chop off his leg. Three hits, leg was off, and I escaped with the teacher.

Fast forward to the meat locker, I chose to side with Kenny, for a multitude of reasons that would take TOO long to put here, but the least of which being that I felt that it was impossible to save Larry's life, and that every second exponentially increased the risk of him turning into a walker with us still trapped in the meat locker. Even then, I waited 'til the last possible second to finally click on Kenny.

I'm not going to include a poll, because I feel that is impossible to accurately capture EVERYONE'S specific reasoning behind their choices (not without using up the 50 option limit, anyway). With that said, please feel free to say WHY you did what you did, in both situations! I'm hoping to glean some insight on how morally consistent people are, and I think that these two situations are the closest I can get in game for comparison!

Also, please try to keep disagreements to a minimum - there are plenty of other threads in which already exist to argue about the finer parts of morality in the Walking Dead setting - all of which I would recommend if you are looking for a good time (or argument :D)! I'm really looking for more a statistical view of people, as opposed to WHY someone is right or wrong.

EDIT: Part 2, for those who chopped off the leg - did it occur to you that the teacher may die from blood loss later? Did it matter to you that he might have been dead either way?

Part 3 - What was your honest assessment at Larry's chance at life? If you had to give a percentage as to how sure you were that he could be revived, what would it be? Did that influence your decision to side with Lilly or not?

Part 4 - How many of you also gave Irene the gun in episode one? Explain why you did or did not allow her to kill herself.

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  • @Sisterofshane said: Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :

    Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?

    I did not kill any of the St. Johns. I couldn't kill Danny because he had been hurt by me and Lilly, as well as stepping in the bear trap. He wasn't going anywhere. As for Andy, he wanted Lee to finish him off. He had pretty much given up on life, so why not let him get a taste of his own medicine and get eaten by the zombies? With all the gunshots, the zombies were bound to appear sooner or later. I also would have let Brenda live. She couldn't kill anybody. She needed Katjaa alive and she just couldn't kill Lee (only if he doesn't choose a threatening option).

  • I killed the first. I think it fit the character's past. Someone pushes him too far and he kills them. But it's only crimes of passions. By the time the last brother was on the ground crying, I figured Lee had calmed down and would be a nice guy again.

    If you're tracking my choices, I like to play Lee as a guy slightly in over his head prone to kicking too much ass to get results. He'll be shocked that someone would want to kill themselves, but stab some smug fucker with a pitchfork if he needs to.

  • @Sisterofshane said: Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.

    Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.

    As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.

    Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:

    What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

    Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.:D

    My medical background is limited. I know first aid and CPR. When Larry collapsed for the second time (remember his first collapse, that Lee observed, was at the pharmacy) I thought Larry had a similar episode and would be okay (just like at the pharmacy since he stabilized even without his pills) up until Lilly called for help.

    Once we began CPR I put his revival at 25%. His chance of revival would have been higher if Kat was present.

  • in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.

    so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..

    so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..

    cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over

  • @Sisterofshane said: Okay, I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of people who answered about giving Irene the gun. These are the final questions for now (we'll see how many life/death choices we get to make in episode 3!) :

    Did you kill one or both of the brothers? Would you have let Brenda live if there was a way to get the gun from her without her getting "nabbed"?

    I killed both brothers. I would not have let Brenda live. Keep in mind that these running dogs murdered Mark a member of my group and friend. Then they served up his legs with potatoes and gravy. Let the punishment fit the crime.

    I did not give the gun to Irene. I'm okay with people wanting to "opt-out" of a ZA. They just need to do it quietly. That mission was going fairly well because we were using stealth. I wanted to avoid any loud noises like a gunshot.

  • @Milosuperspesh said: in real life larry would have approx 4 minutes to live with out brain damage.

    so the only failure on this scene is no one gave larry mouth to mouth. yes his heart 'stopped' but no one checked his breathing..

    so some could argue if his heart started again he'd wake up but he would of been deprived of oxygen for most of the 4 mins so it's a bit of a 5050 he could live or turn..

    cos we aren't sure of how quick the virus takes over

    I was able to get in 4 chest compressions before his head went splat. Had we been able to continue CPR, Lee would continue with the compressions and Lilly can do the rescue breathing...who says chivalry is dead.

  • In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.

    I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.

    In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.

    I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.

  • @Baalthazaar said: In my first playthrough I chopped off the teacher's leg almost right away because it was the first thing I saw that I could interact with - I didn't even realize you could swing at anything else. But I would have taken the leg anyway. I knew he would probably bleed out when I did it, but any chance at survival is better than none and he directly asked me to do anything to get him out. I think someone should have thought to tie a tourniquet around his upper leg first, but couldn't figure out if there was an option to do it.

    I didn't side with Lily or Kenny in the meat locker. I hate both of them (well, I hate Kenny by association with his retarded devil-spawn, Duck) and didn't want to do anything that would result in their being grateful to me. I think Kenny was in the right, but I could not agree with him. Larry was obviously dead at that point - I felt he had a 0% chance of returning and Lily was simply being selfish by not giving her consent.

    In episode 1 I gave Irene the gun. The reasoning here being that taking another human life is wrong in all cases except in taking your own. Since I could not kill her and she wanted to die I let her take her own life. It was actually NOT a smart idea to give her the gun, though, as people who are about to commit suicide become untethered from traditional morality and it was possible she could have turned the gun on others first.

    I killed both brothers because both were guilty of the same crimes and deserved equal treatment. It's hard to call it justice without a society to protect but the notion that murderers should be met with equal punishment still clung to me.

    I felt the same way as you with chopping off the teacher's leg. This is TWD, how else are you supposed to get him out of the bear trap?:rolleyes:

  • I was with Larry in the meat locker and chopped the leg off after some alternatives.

    But yeah, I thought that this is totally unrealistic. If you cut off somebody's leg that person dies from bloodloss in less than minutes unless you stop the bleeding (I'm not a doctor). I figured he was pretty much dead anyway and being a new character who I had no ties with, it wasn't a big deal. I realise that he was meant to die.

    He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.

  • @bl4ckrider said:
    He seemed like cannon fodder for the plot. Maybe they could have had the teacher tell a touching story before they went off, so that I would have cared a little more.

    "I was about to retire! Look at these pictures of my wife! Tell Scarlet I DO give a damn!"

    No, that's a horrible idea. If someone's pointless, get them offscreen without any hackneyed tricks.

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