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[Spoilers] Lily's reaction to choice at end of episode 2

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Lily's one of the people against stealing from the car at the end of this episode 2, as we know. The thing is, Lily's a person who would rather throw people out to their deaths, including a kid (Duck in episode 1) she thinks MAY be bitten, without a second thought... but she draws the line at stealing?

This just seemed weird to me, but then I thought about it more and I realised the depth of the characters in this game that this shows. Lily's all about control, but she will NOT get her hands dirty. She would never, for example, kill Duck or someone else who was bitten - she just wants them out. She's one of those people of the "I just pushed him in front of the train - it was the TRAIN who killed him!" mentality. This can be seen even when (if) you tell her that you shot Jolene. The woman had a crossbow to you and was rambling about nailing your testicles to a tree, but Lily's still of the "oh my god how could you do that!" persuasion.

So yeah, I just think that's cool. It, of course, also just makes me hate Lily even more than I already DID as a person, but yeah. Anyone else notice character details like this that might otherwise go unseen?

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  • @WowMutt said: I think Lily was still very distraught over her dad being killed and was more siding not to loot the car as "it doesnt matter anymore.. we're all dead soon anyways" frame of mind.

    I'll agree with that and would further add that she would have sided against any suggestion made by Kenny at that point. She does take a box when Lee endorses the idea. Had Larry been there at the end, it would have been a much shorter discussion before taking the food and Lilly wouldn't have objected.

  • Lilly's choice not to steal seems right in step with her personality to me.

    In Lilly's view, there is the group and the rest of the world. She is concerned with taking care of the group--which gets harder as it grows--but has never shown signs of actively trying to screw people over.

    In episode 1, she didn't want to help Lee's group but wasn't trying to kick them out ince they arrived. She had the same reaction to the arrival of Ben.

    On St Johns Dairy, Kenny suggested the possibility of taking over the farm if need be. She wanted to trade food and leave them be.

    She's the only one that show concern for Lee and Mark. Kenny was busy plotting taking over the farm.

    If you choose not to kill the brothers she seemed to give a look of approval.

    I think Lilly is one of the most loyal and compassionate characters in the game. She puts the group above helping a stranger which makes her seem evil but it's hard choice she has to make, like Larry said.

    Kenny will bring a stranger into the group and be pissed when there's no food or you feed Ben. What is that? And he's shown with Shawn, Larry, and Lee how opportunistic he is. He'll help or hurt you depending on how it serves him and his family.

    By the end of episode 2 I was pro Lilly. She won me over.

  • You know that Lilly is from the comic books, right? She's an evil POS in the comic books, at least.

  • Don't about you guys but since Kenny ran away when Shawn needed help at Hershel's farm
    I was always against him...
    LILLY ALL DA WAAY!!!

  • @CiscoKidd81 said: You can't blame Lily for wanting to take out Duck..

    but Lilly didn't want to throw Duck out, only Larry did.
    play or watch that scene again... "Dad it's just a boy"

  • In all fairness, Lilly never actually makes a comment on throwing Duck out at the pharmacy... she merely defends her father, who is making a massive commotion about sending the kid outside.

  • @Makroskizhar said: In all fairness, Lilly never actually makes a comment on throwing Duck out at the pharmacy...

    Actually she does. If you play through and remain silent when asked to make a decision to reason or fight with Larry and just let the scene escalate, she totally agrees with her father.

    Compassionate isn't a word I'd use to describe Lily. She's all head, no heart, the polar opposite of Kenny who reacts emotionally without thought. Unless a person has purpose she see no value in them.

  • @Cyreen said: Actually she does. If you play through and remain silent when asked to make a decision to reason or fight with Larry and just let the scene escalate, she totally agrees with her father.

    Compassionate isn't a word I'd use to describe Lily. She's all head, no heart, the polar opposite of Kenny who reacts emotionally without thought. Unless a person has purpose she see no value in them.

    Ahhh fair enough, I always made a choice to help Kenny defend his kid, I had no idea she would side with her father.

    And I totally agree with you, I would hardly use the term compassionate to describe Lily.

  • You guys do realize we're discussing about a lady here, don't you ?

    My thoughts, I don't really think Lilly is bitch, having seen playthroughs on youtube favoring both Lilly and Kenny distinctively and playing the game myself, I figured, at best, Lilly is the better person to count on.

    I agree that Lilly is just trying to do her job as a leader. How she even volunteered herself to be a leader is beyond my knowledge, but I'm assuming the entire group let her be the leader because she's the one whose even thinking about routines and stuffs, so that makes her the de-facto leader. And it's not because people voted for her, it's just people keeping quiet about it because they're too caught up with the current zombie apocalypse incident, and Lilly seems to be the only one whose capable of even thinking of forming a group at a time like this.

    She doesn't vote to throw Duck out, yet she doesn't agree to save Lee & Co when they arrived at the drug store. What does this mean ? Well, I guess she probably felt that if Carley and Glenn went out and saved them, both of them will risk giving the entire group away should their rescue attempt failed. At the same time, she'd probably wouldn't feel too good if they got left there. Imo, what this tells me is that Lilly truly empathizes with Lee's group, but chooses to avoid helping him because her own group has trouble coping with matters.

    I disagree with Lilly being all "We're all gonna die mentality" at the looting car scene. Think about it, your dad just got murdered. Your head is all over the place, you probably feel like putting a bullet through your head right now because things don't matter anymore, but at the same time, you can't die because you wanna live or because you have to keep moving on for the sake of others. The very fact that she mentioned "Not everyone (can be saved)" when Kenny mentions how the amount of food can save everyone else in the group is just a way of saying that "we lost another member we could have saved".

    I say this all the time and I'll say it again. Lilly, Larry and Kenny display very altruistic behavior, prioritize yourself and your kin before anyone else. Their personalities are the most realistic of any other character's. If a zombie apocalypse happens right now, everybody would be busy saving their own asses first. If you even have a friend who willingly risks his own life just to save you, it shows that you're extremely lucky.

    Kenny might have been a great friend, he backs you up all the time. But action speaks louder than words, he chose to freeze when Danny was going to kill you. Which is understandable because he can't risk his life to save Lee when it's better off saving his family. He'd rather die for his family, this is a fact. Altruism people, altruism. Kenny prioritizes his family above anyone else, then only the rest.

    Lilly is the other way round, everyone in general first, then specific person. As tough as it might seem, she's actually trying to maintain the group's morale. And Kenny just chimed in to make things worse because his family isn't getting the priority. I'm pretty sure, you'd understand, as a leader you'd rather give food to people who can protect your camp first.

    Safety > Food, if your watchmen lacks the energy, you're practically left defenseless. What would keeping a kid full help you when your defense is down ? Some people can survive hunger for a long long time. That's how I see and feel that this is what Lilly thinks.

    If you guys side with her, you'll find that she's actually a very unconfident lady who looks to Lee for support in her decisions. She doesn't want to be a bitch, but she has no choice but to be on. For the sake of everyone else.

  • you could say that lilly only took on the leader role because no one else wanted it.. so everyone can blame her and not them selves..

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