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[SPOILERS]Ben's character and deeds

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Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything then a 12 year old.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

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  • @NeonBlade said: For some reason. Cretins like Ben always seem to survive.

    This. He'll either scamper away during a fight leaving someone else die or freezes up and causes the death of another.

  • @Viser said:
    First off, why would anyone in the group (except for Lee) give two shits about Ben's friend being held captive by the bandits (which he didn't know was a lie)? Do you remember how Ben and the teacher were greeted by two people yelling at Lee and Kenny for bringing more mouths to feed?

    Because he was using supplies others risked their lives to get in order to keep the group alive, not some bandits with a story in the woods. If he wants to use the group's supplies he should've had the group's permission. ESPECIALLY since he brings absolutely nothing to the table. If he told the group earlier, they could have handled it or at the very least, been prepared for that raid- he directly lead to the death of Doug/Carley and indirectly caused Duck's death which then caused Kat's.

  • @Xarne said: Because he was using supplies others risked their lives to get in order to keep the group alive, not some bandits with a story in the woods. If he wants to use the group's supplies he should've had the group's permission. ESPECIALLY since he brings absolutely nothing to the table. If he told the group earlier, they could have handled it or at the very least, been prepared for that raid- he directly lead to the death of Doug/Carley and indirectly caused Duck's death which then caused Kat's.

    One thing I don't get is how did he directly lead to Doug/Carley's death. Carley died from ticking off Lilly and Doug took a bullet for Ben. Ben in no way held a gun to them nor did he call out either as being a traitor. Lilly went overboard and hell even with the group's obvious protest against prosecuting any of them she went through with it.(My Lee didn't want either punished) This should've let her know that we didn't want to deal with this situation at that moment. Lilly wanted to kill someone she wanted it so bad, she just used the whole Traitor thing as her advantage to murder someone and get no consequences(evidenced by her stating she did what was best). And it failed.

    I'm not gonna blame Ben for anything that happened in Episode 3 because Lilly going crazy wasn't his fault, Lilly's desire to punish someone with death wasn't his fault, and Ben/Carley's actions certainly weren't Ben's fault. If anything Ben's main fault was giving supplies that no one really knew was missing. Hell the only person who would've needed the drugs was Kenny and he didn't seem to give a hoot about it.

    Like I stated before I won't kill Ben nor do I think he needs penance in death for anything that happened. He was only a pawn in Lilly's desire to kill in revenge for what her father her did and refuse to punish him for it.

  • First chance i get, i will kill him!

  • @GenericMartini said: One thing I don't get is how did he directly lead to Doug/Carley's death.


    If he had told the group about the bandits from the start; they never would have been taken off-guard like that.
    He was conducting his own little deal with the group's supplies and when it went sour they all got ambushed.
    But more importantly, if he had manned up and confessed at the side of the RV after the raid, Doug /Carley would be alive right now.
    How do you not see him as the direct cause of their death? Both of them died protecting him. Doug even more so than Carley.

  • How can I blame Ben?

    Because the group got cut in half because of his actions and silence.

    There is no "kid" - like the crazy hobo says.... There's only alive and dead....

  • @DreadMagus said: How can I blame Ben?

    Because the group got cut in half because of his actions and silence.

    There is no "kid" - like the crazy hobo says.... There's only alive and dead....

    That crazy hobo has lost touch with any shred of humanity he had before the apocalypse. Do you really want to follow his ideals and mindset? He may have been right about some things, but he's woefully wrong about others.

    I just don't understand why you're all so mad. Do you think a similar situation wouldn't have arisen without Ben's dicking around? Lilly had gone off the deep end and would have used anything to justify losing her shit.

    At the end of the day, though, who do you really blame? Ben had to placate the bandits; if we had moved on like Kenny said we should, he wouldn't have had to. Then again, if Kenny hadn't killed Larry prematurely, Lilly wouldn't have completely lost her mind and murdered Carley. But then again, if Larry hadn't been such an unjustified dickwad, Kenny might have shown more hesitance in killing him. BUT THEN, if there hadn't been a zombie apocalypse, Larry never would have --

    Where does it end?

    The answer I wanted to give Ben (but was incapable of giving him because of the weirdly narrow dialogue options in some portions of the game - seriously, some of the responses I want to give in certain situations are never on there, despite being very common threads of thought that many other people I know have discussed wanting to say) was, "I don't care. What's done is done, and nothing is going to change that. The past is the past, let's leave it there and move on." Maybe tell him to be a bit more forthcoming and open, from now on, to avoid mistakes like this in the future.

    I won't kill him - but I suspect he'll take care of himself, anyway. My guess is that he'll sacrifice himself for somebody else, trying to make amends for what he's done - if you didn't notice, he was cradling his head in his arms against the railing of a moving train, his face completely contorted in mental agony. He's a complete guilty wreck, and I don't think he'll ever be able to forgive himself for what happened.

    The lack of human sympathy in threads like these, though, kind of astounds me.

  • Poor Ben, dumb shit. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to grow up.

  • @John W. said: Ben had to placate the bandits;


    Why? And why in silence? He's shady and weak.

  • Why are people defending Ben so much? He caused all this! if he would have told the group about his deal maybe they would have understood and helped him, But no he didn't and he didn't tell Lilly so he let Carley/Doug die. I will Kill that bastard! as far as im concerned he is a traitor

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