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How can there be a "canon" Lilly?

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i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon, unless the comic would just use one set of choices from the game and say that was canon.

With that in mind they couldn't have made lilly not have canon protection in the game and have choices that lead to her death and then just say that obviously that isn't TWD comic canon.

what do you guys think about the "canon" aspect of the game, and is there a "canon" story to the game?

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  • @thestalkinghead said: its not the game i'm talking about, in a game these things don't make much difference (and i don't want to keep going on about how the game is the same no matter what you do, i have already said a lot about that), but in a book or comic its the small details that make a difference when you are reading it.



    Then I really don't get the point of your post. I originally thought your OP was talking about the Road to Woodbury, and now you seem to be talking about some sort of comic that would be based on the game? (No offense, but your grammar is kinda hard to understand at some points in your OP and a few others.)

    What do you mean by "canon" Lilly? You obviously don't mean big details, especially since you agree the big details are the same and her attitude remains the same.

    If you mean how the player approaches some decisions in the game regarding Lilly, (And honestly you get a grand total of 2 that actually affect her in some way.) then you're just stating the obvious that there couldn't be a "cannon" way to approach those decisions.

    You said, "i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon" and I simply suggested that there are almost no details that change regarding Lilly. Even the small details don't amount to anything.

    *Leaves thread for good with confused look on his face, wondering what the heck the thread was even about.*

  • @Fluffyburrito said: Then I really don't get the point of your post. I originally thought your OP was talking about the Road to Woodbury, and now you seem to be talking about some sort of comic that would be based on the game? (No offense, but your grammar is kinda hard to understand at some points in your OP and a few others.)

    What do you mean by "canon" Lilly? You obviously don't mean big details, especially since you agree the big details are the same and her attitude remains the same.

    If you mean how the player approaches some decisions in the game regarding Lilly, (And honestly you get a grand total of 2 that actually affect her in some way.) then you're just stating the obvious that there couldn't be a "cannon" way to approach those decisions.

    You said, "i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon" and I simply suggested that there are almost no details that change regarding Lilly. Even the small details don't amount to anything.

    *Leaves thread for good with confused look on his face, wondering what the heck the thread was even about.*



    well, because the book The Road to Woodbury is set after the game, and lilly in the comic is after the game, this means things that happen in the game are a part of lilly's story.

    obviously i count big details as canon, but i count small details as canon as well, what is hard to understand about that?

    because i count small details as canon this means there cant be just one "lilly canon"

    @YamiRaziel
    you're right i didn't think many of the choices had much affect on the game, but games and books are different, more details matter, if in a game a character tells you to hurry to get somewhere, and then you just stand there and look at him for a while then wander around the place knocking over things in the room, then go off to the place you are told to go, that wouldn't do anything to the story and wouldn't matter, but if you read a book and the character was told to hurry to go to somewhere and he just did a load of weird stuff then went to the place he was supposed to go that would actually matter in a book.

  • @thestalkinghead said:
    what do you guys think about the "canon" aspect of the game, and is there a "canon" story to the game?



    Canon and unchangeable.

    - You meet Lilly in Macon at a drugstore
    - She survived with her father and a group until he was killed in a freezer
    - Her group was almost eaten by cannibals, but they survived.
    - She was "forced" to leave her group because she killed someone (the details don't matter if you don't elaborate)

    Anything that doesn't have a variable is canon, and anything with a variable that leads to the same place can be left vague. And in the end you have an easily coherent story.

  • @thestalkinghead said: well, because the book The Road to Woodbury is set after the game, and lilly in the comic is after the game, this means things that happen in the game are a part of lilly's story.

    obviously i count big details as canon, but i count small details as canon as well, what is hard to understand about that?

    because i count small details as canon this means there cant be just one "lilly canon"



    No it does not mean there can't be "canon Lilly". It simply means that once again your understanding is a bit messed up.

    Lilly is always the same Lilly in the game. If you're good to her, she'll treat you the same way. If you are not, she won't as well.
    The same applies to Kenny. No matter how you treat him, he's still the selfish asshole that will leave people to their deaths. Even if he help you, he does it because he owes you. If somebody else needs his help, he will ignore it.
    His personality is a constant, just like Lilly's.
    I know you like to think you're really important as Lee, that your choices affect everything and the universe should abide your wishes about who lives and dies but things do not work this way.
    Lilly's personality is set in stone. She changes just like everybody - because of huge loss, deep trauma or quite affect experience as a whole. Nobody really changes just because you said "Hi" while smiling.

    Comic book Lilly and novel Lilly are both set after the game and there we see the same Lilly. Lee's role in her life is going to be either vague or presented through her perceptions.
    Her relations with Kenny are always the same so it wouldn't be hard for him to be mentioned with greater accuracy to detail.

    I don't really see a point to this thread as well. I thought all this was self-explanatory.

  • so is it just me thought in the comic that Lori having sex with shane knowing that rick was alive is different to her in the TV show having sex with shane knowing (or thinking she knew) rick was dead

  • Does Lilly interact with Glenn, when he's in Woodbury? I can't remember. The comic obviously can't retroactively make her recognize him and mention it, but if they did at least see each other during that period it now adds an odd dimension of how much they must have changed not to know each other anymore by sight.

  • I don't know about in the book (Road to Woodbury) whether or not she interacts with Glenn, but in the comic we only see Lilly once, or at least we only 'know' that it's Lilly once and Glenn wasn't in that scene.

  • @Joe Newberry said: Does Lilly interact with Glenn, when he's in Woodbury? I can't remember. The comic obviously can't retroactively make her recognize him and mention it, but if they did at least see each other during that period it now adds an odd dimension of how much they must have changed not to know each other anymore by sight.



    No, they never meet. Lilly meets Hershel but she never met him in the game. She would never follow the Governor had she seen Glenn.

  • @YamiRaziel said: No, they never meet. Lilly meets Hershel but she never met in the game. She would never follow the Governor had she seen Glenn.



    I had that same question, of why Glenn and Lily didn't recognise each other--thank you, expecially sense I haven't got the money nor the time to buy the comics, So I couldn't have known.

    Thank you very much.

  • @thestalkinghead said: i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon, unless the comic would just use one set of choices from the game and say that was canon.



    Thats the whole point of canon. Taking something directly from its source material and placing it somewhere else without touching a single detail. Having 'change' and 'canon' in the same sentence causes a ripple effect in The Matrix

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