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Taking Food: a Moral and Positive Act

posted by JackSchirmer on - last edited - Viewed by 655 users

I found it interesting, how some folks have just assumed that taking the food from the unoccupied vehicle in Episode 2: Starved for Help was wrong. They may have taken it anyway, but no one seemed to want to argue that in fact taking the food was morally right.

I took the food, and what taking the food does is teach Clementine a utilitarian viewpoint that's absolutely essential to learn in the zombie apocalypse. It's also a positive act in that it makes optimal use of a resource that has been very scarce to at least some folks walking the ZA,

There are three likely outcomes wrt the car and the food in it:

1) You leave it alone, continue on without it, and
a) its owners return at some point and eat the food
b) its owners never return and the food spoils

2) You take the food and eat it.

The result of 2) is superior to the cumulative result of 1) because, with 2), the food never goes to waste.

It's not even the case where by choosing 2) you're implying that you're more important than the owners of the car. It's simply by choosing 2), you're ensuring that valuable food does not go to waste.

And that doesn't even take into account the likelihood that the car owners are beyond aid and won't return. After all, under what circumstances would you leave a vehicle open and unlocked like that? The chances that the food inside would spoil are good.

Finally, there's another scenario in which not taking the food is a genuine mistake, namely: it's value to you is enormous. The value to its owners, if they're even alive and still in the area, may be comparatively insignificant. The food may have been only a modest part of their total supplies, an amount they won't inordinately miss, whereas you are certain of it's substantial, even critical value to you and your group. In short, this food cannot be of greater value to the owners of the vehicle than it is to you.

In contrast to what I've seen written elsewhere, by taking the food you've taught Clementine a valuable, positive, moral lesson that will go some way towards increasing the chances of her survival. Later that evening you will, of course, sit down with her and explain the choices and outcomes wrt the car. You'll also be clear with her that if the owners of the car had been present you would not have done more than ask for some of their food.

I'm morally certain that simply leaving the car and its contents alone and taking the good chance that the food will spoil is a profoundly foolish act.

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  • Oh wow, I hadn't thought about that.

    I had thought the food was a lame plot device... but, with that idea in mind, and her desire to protect Clem.. and it's proximity to the farm and the fact the light was still working...

    That makes perfect sense.

  • Maybe am a little bit off topic but do you think the guy talking in the talkie walkie in the last sequence of episode 3 is the owner of the car?

  • @Djewom said: Maybe am a little bit off topic but do you think the guy talking in the talkie walkie in the last sequence of episode 3 is the owner of the car?

    Not impossible, but I don't think he is. I think that guy has been in Savannah all along.

  • @Djewom said: Maybe am a little bit off topic but do you think the guy talking in the talkie walkie in the last sequence of episode 3 is the owner of the car?

    haha, can you imagine?

    'You MFers!!! Im cold and hungry!!! When I find you I'ma KEEEL you all!!"

  • I didn't take it because it bothered Clementine, not because I thought it was wrong. Everyone is trying to adapt to the new world. As a child, Clementine is adapting ok, but for some reason, this set her off. She needed to believe that prohibitions against stealing still exist. Since trust is the most important thing in TWD, I didn't want her to lose faith in Lee, so I left the supplies to show her that whatever happened, Lee would back her up. Maybe that was a mistake and Lee should have taught her that the world changed.

    In the future, when the situation is more dire or Clementine is more ready, I hope Lee will explain to her that it's not stealing. Stealing in the old world was taking anything that wasn't yours. Stealing in the new world is only taking stuff when you are pretty sure the owners are still alive. If they aren't nearby, then they're probably dead, so it's not stealing to take the supplies.

    I thought it would be neat if everyone put hourglasses (or something similar) next to their supplies. If the hourglass was still ticking, then (unless you knew the owner was dead or had permission), leave the stuff. If the hourglass is empty, then it's fair game.

  • I left the supplies because taking it, stealing or not, would have been killing the previous owner(s) if they were still alive. I killed Larry, Danny, Jolene, and beat Andy within an inch of his life before leaving him for the walkers. I felt that I had too much blood on my hands after leaving there so I left the food as a sort of redemption, or whatever, for my actions. In reality I probably would have taken the stuff and, hell, if given the exact same situation in one of the next two episodes I'd take the stuff without hesitation. After episode 3 I've become so jaded that I've decided to give up on "redemption" and will, instead, focus on surviving.

  • Even one is too much - once you start, might as well rack up a body count. ;)

  • That's my new philosophy. Gonna cross dat apocalypse finish line with a necklace full of ears danglin' from my neck.

  • You can't say anything is "Moral", you can just say by your morals you think this is "Moral".

    I think according to my morals it was bad morals because the occupants could have came back as Lily/Clementine said, first time I agreed with Lily, and by the way, the term "Black and White" is completely wrong in its entirety, there is good in everything. Black and white as in the term isn't impossible but its not likely either--I try to see things as far away from a black and white viewpoint as possible because the only case ive found where that is actually true is with blind murderers/etc, and as with Lily, stress and mental instability.

  • @DreadMagus said: Even one is too much - once you start, might as well rack up a body count. ;)

    Like potato chips?

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