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Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

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I guess I may be the only one here who would still support Lily if she shows up at some future point in time.
Why?
I appreciate her leadership skills, her selflessness (having to make all those little decisions is really difficult) and her reasoning. She tried to keep this group together, she did her very best but some other people...like Kenny always tried to have it their way, always consider what's only best for his family.
I think we all agree it was difficult giving the rations the first time in episode two. We got a glimpse of what she has to do every day. People hated us for those choices, so they hate her even more for having to do it every day. But there's no one else who would do it.

She was still pretty reasonable until Kenny murdered her father. People can complain that he saved them and all that crap... but you couldn't have known for sure and that's the truth. He overreacted and again being the selfish asshole he is, he did the easiest choice for him. Eliminate the enemy and undermine the leader's authority.

In episode 3 we see things haven't changed. Lily is still the only one to really tries to protect the group. Lee, of course, helps always and as much as he can, but others like Kenny... they didn't even feel bad for what they did in episode 2. Kenny ruined this group and yet he still wanted things to go his way. He kept pushing Lily without really doing anything for the group. He was determined to abandon all.
Carley... she didn't really do anything. She could've stepped in and helped Lily when she saw she was about to snap... but she didn't. The only thing she actually did was tease Lee, look cute, and avoid participation in almost every important discussion. The downfall in episode 3 is partially her fault as well.
When the bandits attacked the group it was again Lily that came to the rescue to a group that hated her. Kenny wouldn't swallow my disrespect for him and actually tried to get me killed too many times in this episode.
Ben... and Kenny really started a chain reaction. With both their stupidity combined they managed to indirectly kill Carley, Katjaa and Duck as well destroy the group from within.
Both cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.
I would so love to see them gone in episode 4 & 5. I don't need stupid people in my group, people who know nothing about responsibility or humanity.


It was sad to see Lily snap but I guess there is a line as to where a person can take it. In the end of the day I'm sure she'll regret her choices and will eventually learn from them. She kills Lorry cause she believes they are threatening her group. When she sees how wrong she was she offs the Governor. That's a pretty redeeming deed in my book, one that clearly shows she actually develops.

I would certainly love to see more of her in future episodes/seasons.

So, am I the only one? :D Even if I am, I will still be defending this position to the end :P

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  • @Xarne said:
    One is truly selfless but has the charm of a broken chainsaw;

    Right, that's why they couldn't leave the motor inn due to its proximity to the pharmacy, for the good of the group.

  • @Cyreen said: You mean the guy who said, "You kill, you die", that guy? I think Rick would have been more sympathetic with Kenny's decision in the meat locker than he would have been with Lilly shooting Carley in the face.

    Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...

  • @FarmerJoe said: Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...

    Yep. Well I'm sure Lilly and Rick would get along until they realize what happened in the prison and who was involved. Oh... I demand such scene... this will be truly epic.

    Cyreen, why would we leave the motor inn? We had a well barricaded place, with rooms where everyone can hide from rain/snow and cold. Macon was close and we have a constant source of supplies and meds. Yeah there are bandits but had Ben told us, I'm sure we would've though of a way to deal with them.

    What is there on the road? Cold weather, no place to sleep or hide, no supplies. Uncertainty, constant danger, sleep deprivation due to lack of security and big chances on stumbling on bigger hostile group of people (more bandits, Woodbury, Negan) or even a herd.

    By December (this should be roughly the month of ep. 3) all big groups are already settled. What would be looking on the road?

    So yeah, I would stay with Lilly and the group in the motor inn than run towards the unknown with Kenny in the RV. Let's not forget that nobody really wanted to go except for him.

  • F*** Lilly the American nig***, killers arern't tolerated, what part of "not tolerated" don't you understand lol?

  • @Cyreen said: Right, that's why they couldn't leave the motor inn due to its proximity to the pharmacy, for the good of the group.

    Keep in mind, after Larry died she had no reason other than supplies to stay in Macon, and she was still pushing to stay.

    She could have doubted Kenny saying the supplies were exhausted due to the fact that he had been pushing for the group to leave sense EP2

    Just some informative theories on why she would want to stay, it makes no sense to me, Larry died so why stay near the pharmacy?

    Infact being in the motor inn would kind of be hard considering who had died was there with her for months.

    @Cyreen said: killers arern't tolerated, what part of "not tolerated" don't you understand lol?

    You tolerate Lee, don't you?

  • @Web Head said: F*** Lilly the American nig***, killers arern't tolerated, what part of "not tolerated" don't you understand lol?

    Im sorry can you replace those asterisks with the actual words? I'm slow

  • @FarmerJoe said: Rick shoots Dexter in the side of the head when he has is head turned away from him...

    Mitigating circumstances. Didn't eliminate his "you kill, you die" rule.

    @FarmerJoe said: Macon was close and we have a constant source of supplies and meds. Yeah there are bandits but had Ben told us, I'm sure we would've though of a way to deal with them.

    The supplies in Macon were exhausted. They didn't have power at the motor inn, there was no heat. They had no reason to stay and fight it out with the bandits, who obviously outnumbered them.

    Really, all the bandits had to do was pick them off when they went scavenging. Hell, if any of them could actually shoot, they could have picked off the sentry on the top of the RV from wherever Jolene was filming from.

  • There was really no reason to stay. Kenny and Lee were ALONE outside the walls. The bandits could have easily picked off two of the biggest threats to them with little to no trouble at that scene in episode 3. And all the other times they were forced to go on supply runs. Whoever was on watch could have easily been killed. It was only a matter of time, and not that much of it, until the bandits killed someone, or even worse, more than one person.

    With all the food from the station wagon, plus the week's worth of (rationed) food still at the motor inn, they could have lasted for at least a month on the road. Plenty of time to find a new place to hole up for the winter, or get on that train that we ran into and head for the coast. The risks of staying in Macon far outweighed the benefits. Not freezing to death is fine and dandy, but I find that staying (marginally) warm isn't much comfort if I have enough arrow shafts sticking out of me to build an entire new section of the wall.

  • Why do you think that being on the road is any better? Running towards the unknown where walkers actually become a real threat...

  • So, it's the motor inn and certain death or the fear of the unknown... ?

    Seems like a pretty obvious choice.

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