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the Katjja conundrum

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So when Katjja said she could not live without Duck I sort of knew what was coming, as one of my favourite characters I hoped we would be given the choice to at least try and council her though the ordeal.

So my question is –

1) Was Katjja’s decision to kill herself selfish?

I mean if she goes out alone she kills herself leaving a now doubly grieving Kenny and a post zombie Duck which Kenny will still have to deal with.
Even when they go together she kills herself in front of Kenny and her dying but still conscious son.

I would have liked it if Katjja took Duck into the woods and you hear one shot then as you and Kenny go to see them another shot rings out and you see them both dead but that’s just me.

2) How will the Duck shooting come back to bite us if we shot him or let/made Kenny do it either way I think Kenny’s story may come to an end in episode 4?

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  • @SoulShot said: You just found out that your lover smashed in an old guy's head in with a salt lick...



    That is only true of you chose to save Carley, if you chose to tell Katjaa about your past, and if you chose to tell her the truth about the meat locker. Three different variables that don't hold true in everyone's games and therefore isn't motivation for Katjaa's suicide.

  • @Phantom Command said: So when Katjja said she could not live without Duck I sort of knew what was coming, as one of my favourite characters I hoped we would be given the choice to at least try and council her though the ordeal.

    So my question is –

    1) Was Katjja’s decision to kill herself selfish?

    I mean if she goes out alone she kills herself leaving a now doubly grieving Kenny and a post zombie Duck which Kenny will still have to deal with.
    Even when they go together she kills herself in front of Kenny and her dying but still conscious son.

    I would have liked it if Katjja took Duck into the woods and you hear one shot then as you and Kenny go to see them another shot rings out and you see them both dead but that’s just me.

    2) How will the Duck shooting come back to bite us if we shot him or let/made Kenny do it either way I think Kenny’s story may come to an end in episode 4?



    1- Not at all she lost her only child, seeing him in that state and pointing the gun at him (since she didnt like them in the 1st place) took her over the edge. I dont fault her one bit.

    2- Wont bite me one bit. I know Kenny- so I made him shoot Duck.

    Thank god for a new topic- the ones around here have been beaten to a pulp

  • How can suicide be selfish when it's your life? You can do whatever you want with it.
    And in a ZA? What are you living for? They're alive but I'd hardly call that living- more like surviving. Her kid is dead, all life as they knew it is gone, she knows what Kenny did to Larry, they're all changing and she, understandably, cant handle it.
    I would call suicide cowardly in normal society, but never selfish. In a ZA it's even understandable.

  • Let's re-evaluate what selfish means. You do it with only your own interests in mind. So in theory, if even no one is around relying on you and you choose to die painlessly, that's still selfish. Selfishness doesn't have to be a bad thing or something that isn't excusable, it just has to put your own interests over everything else.

    Saying that Katjaa was selfish to take an easy way out when things got their worst doesn't make her a bad person. The only time that suicide is not selfish is when it is a selfless act - you die for another. If you commit suicide and others gain from your actions, then it's selfless. Katjaa's death did nothing but make things easier for herself, cost the team the only medical expertise, and place the penultimate nail in the coffin for Kenny's total loss.

    Something can be yours and you can be selfish with it. If you drink a bottle of water that's yours and others want to drink it, is that not selfish because it's your own? It doesn't matter if you're thirsty or not. You could always give it away. Doesn't matter if it's good, evil, practical or not - it's still by definition selfish.

  • Is eating a selfish act too?
    Dying for another is a sacrifice, not a suicide.
    Sacrifice is the offering of something for or to a higher purpose.
    Suicide is simply the act of taking one's life, none of the sources I checked mentioned the word selfish in any of their definitions.
    I dont agree.

  • Yeah. Surviving is a selfish act. "I ate that cow because my life is more important than its." "I didn't give the food to the needy, I ate it myself."

    Sorry to get so philosophical, but you asked. And of course the dictionary doesn't have inferred meanings in its definitions. You can look up "cell phone" and it won't give you "easily lost" in its blurb, but we all know a phone is lost constantly.

  • By that definition there isnt much a human does voluntarily or not that isnt selfish.

  • Protecting others, giving up things for others and doing things without personal interest are the few examples of non-selfish acts.

    Unless you're Christian. Then you just want to go to heaven.

  • @Master of Aeons said: Protecting others, giving up things for others and doing things without personal interest are the few examples of non-selfish acts.



    It could be argued that even those things have a payoff for the person rendering the service and therefore selfish.

  • @Master of Aeons said: Protecting others, giving up things for others and doing things without personal interest are the few examples of non-selfish acts.

    Unless you're Christian. Then you just want to go to heaven.



    By that definition, the protection of others is done because you want that person to go unharmed, giving food to others people, you dont want them to go hungry, you want them to be nourished. The peace of mind knowing you took care of others brings you personal satisfaction

    Philosophy is too heady for me

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