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The "friendship" with Lilly is fake.

posted by jangjangchang on - last edited - Viewed by 825 users

Kenny has always had my back so I'll have his.

The relationship with Lilly never has you two joking and smiling at each other. She never cares to be your buddy or have your back in times of need.

She sees you as someone she can use. She sees you as a vote. Not Lee.

Side with Kenny he can see you're more then a vote.
You're more then Lee.

You're a friend. Get his back and he'll get your back.

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  • Kenny's stupidity has nothing to do with how good a friend someone is. I could tell my best friend, "Hand me the margarine." If he grabs the butter first, I can't say he's a bad friend. He's just stupid.

    The other obvious counterpoint is you tell two friends to help you kill someone. One says, "Kill? Are you serious?" and the other one says, "Don't have to tell me twice. I brought my own weapons!" Lily's crazy, man.

  • @Master of Aeons said: Kenny's stupidity has nothing to do with how good a friend someone is. I could tell my best friend, "Hand me the margarine." If he grabs the butter first, I can't say he's a bad friend. He's just stupid.

    The other obvious counterpoint is you tell two friends to help you kill someone. One says, "Kill? Are you serious?" and the other one says, "Don't have to tell me twice. I brought my own weapons!" Lily's crazy, man.



    Lilly is not crazy. She wasn't even slightly unstable in that example. Kenny does not confuse his weapon, so no I'm not talking about stupidity. It's his inability to listen to anything but his own voice. He would react fast had he seen Mark with his own eyes but he just doesn't believe Lee enough.
    Lilly however is more honest and open person. She's loyal to her own and she doesn't need Lee to tell her twice.
    We are not talking about killing people here, but about survival and danger. If Lee screams "Lilly, shoot Clem" she won't, so your "I brought my own weapons" argument is a bit invalid.
    As a whole Lilly is more open and honest person. If she's upset and offended, she will yell and storm around until she lets it all out. She doesn't hold grudges.
    Kenny is however a guy that will hold all against you. If you offend him or disappoint him, he'll just give you "The Look" and you can be sure he'll bring it and try to punish you in the worst possible moment. He's spiteful, egocentric coward.
    Lilly, of course, is in a very fragile state of mind at the moment. However, this is only a week since Kenny murdered her dad in front of her eyes.

  • So then by your breakdown of the scene, it's not friendship or intelligence that is the factor in the reaction time - it's how receptive they are to orders.

  • @Master of Aeons said: So then by your breakdown of the scene, it's not friendship or intelligence that is the factor in the reaction time - it's how receptive they are to orders.



    More like whether you need proof in order to believe a friend.

  • What I find disturbing about Kenny is reaction to Lee in the scene at the dinner table. Lee comes in screaming all sorts of shit and Kenny just sits there as if he didn't have any suspicions about the brothers in the first place.

  • Lilly is an egocentric bitch, who cannot stand any sort of disagreement. Even in your supposed "friendship" Lee's giving way more than he's receiving. True friends never abandon you and they don't require you to follow orders.

    On the upside, she's gone and not worth discussing.

  • @Wrighty said: I try to keep my arguments to the fuck Kenny thread but I'll post here once.

    Kenny wasn't sure if he was able to save you gun or no gun. And when there are loads of walkers swarming, all using your pistol would do is waste ammo. And I bet most people are angry because they supported Kenny until he meat locker, then he was angry at Lee. But I don't blame him, Lees who saved Lary risked his life and risked his family being eaten by the cannibals slowly and painfully for an old guy who treated everyone else like shit and might be dead. . They forced him to kill Larry by himself and shoulder the guilt himself, even if it was the right call.

    Also I think moments like Kenny trusts you enough to tell you Duck is bitten (he could have kept quiet, or lied) and when offers to teach you how to use he train, in case he dies, shows how much of a good friend he is.



    Doesn't the fact that Kenny saves you if you have previously done as he wanted invalidate the 'Kenny wasn't sure if he was able to save you gun or no gun'. Two or three bullets would of cleared the walkers on top of Lee but Kenny just stands there watching when Lee pleads for him to help.If the danger was too great or imminent for him why doesn't he just escape instead of just standing there observing Lee's struggles,to me that is a clear sign of his vindictive nature.
    He resents someone because they make him shoulder the guilt of killing Larry himself?what a big cry baby.

    As for Kenny not hiding the truth and telling Lee that Duck is bitten I'd say that Katjaa was the big influence there, as later events show. Is teaching Lee and Omid how to drive the train such a generous and unselfish act?what kind of a man would keep quite about information he holds that could keep fellow survivors safe, including a 8 year girl, if anything happened to him.

    @Rock114
    Did Kenny respect,as a good friend, your two differences of opinion or was he ready with the snide remarks and the inability to not point out what you did was the wrong choice and his should of been the right way to go?

    To me Kenny gets a lot more out of that friendship and I cant shake the feeling that Lee is being used.For me Kenny is a weak,vindictive,impulsive and hypocritical man with the taint of cowardice. I will recognize that he loves his family deeply and he did finally admit his weakness in not even trying to save Shawn. I'd say that the friendship with Lilly is more honest and feels a lot less deceptive than Kenny's.

    Scoff if you will but out of all the group members I'd rate Doug as the best friendship.To me he has the most compassionate and bravest heart than all of them.He also made me laugh.He would,very likely, be the one to give his life to save yours.Carley is good too but she had to be persuaded by Glenn and Lee to help Irene and she was all "let's go guys" when they reached the door and heard her screaming.Doug would of had no hesitation in saving a fellow survivor.I'm also not that keen on the fact that she throws herself on every type of Lee including those who told her that they didn't trust her.

  • He thought I was damn stupid when I put the girl out of her misery. I put both our lives in unecessary danger, decreasing our chances of getting out alive. From a survival standpoint what I did was dumb, and that's Kenny's standpoint. Yet, when I needed it, he still came back to help the door off of me. I don't need him to agree with everything I do, but as long as he watches my back he's cool in my book.

    I don't understand how making him shoulder the guilt makes him a "cry baby". He just killed what could have been a human being, right in front of said human being's daughter, in a very violent and messy way. He didn't like making sure Larry didn't get up. If he thought Larry could have been saved, he wouldn't have done it. He thought he saved everyone. If everyone you knew hated and resented you for saving their lives, and made you out to be the bad guy just so they didn't feel guilty, wouldn't you be more than a little angry? Because that's what Kenny thinks happened. He thinks that he, and may actually have, saved everyone.

  • If you are a fan of Lilly then you are noobs!!

  • False. Being a fan of Lilly =/= noob. She is a great, well written character with an excellent voice actress. It's just that some of us agree with Kenny during arguments because what he says makes sense to us, while what Lilly says makes sense to other people.

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