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Would you leave Lilly if she had killed Ben?

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If, instead of Carley or Doug, Ben was killed would you leave Lilly by the road or taker her with you?

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  • In my game a friend killed another good friend(Doug) and I still didn't abandon her, so I would of let her back in if Ben had been killed.I don't condone what she did but I can understand why she cracked and afterwards she did show shock and remorse for her action, leaving her to a likely death feels wrong to me.She wasn't about to go on and massacre the whole group.

    I suspect that Clementine could of been the secret to prevent that tragedy.If Clem had screamed,cried or even shouted "Stop this! you're scaring me!" the focus would of been diverted from the squabbling adults.Say what you will but it is shown that Lilly cared for Clem and no way would she of harmed her or even Duck.Of course it's a lot to expect from a 8 year child but I think it would of been quite plausible.

  • @YamiRaziel said: My post goes to both Calamitymlc and Xarne.
    Let me get this straight. You kill Lilly's dad/or let Kenny gets unpunished for doing it, you watch her get traumatized and you call her a bad egg that must be taken care of ?

    So, I go back in ep. 1 go blow Duck's head off because he could've been bitten, then as I watch Kenny lose it because of the death of his son, I declare him a bad egg and say that he must be taken care of?
    I mean... seriously?

    Well the issue with what you're purposing first off is that the Duck/Larry situation were very different in impending danger. You could visually see as a player in the first scenario that Duck had not been bitten, also Duck did not show any signs of pain or anguish like a scream or bleeding. (You saw how easily the walker bit through Shawn's jugular in the first episode.) Also Duck was a child who probably weighed like 90 pounds, and could easily have been taken care of if he turned with Carley's pistol.

    Larry was a 300 pound monster that had a heart attack and wasn't breathing. The chance of resuscitating a 70+ year old man that large is pretty unlikely, especially without proper equipment. There were no weapons around and you had a minimal amount of time to kill him before he turned. Also the whole groups life was at stake every moment they sat in that meat locker, as you soon find out that the plan was to kill everyone and keep one person alive for food.

    Lily was an instigator from the first time you met her, always putting herself forward instead of the groups interests. Always instigating group drama whenever she could, even if everyone was against her she still thought she was right. She ruled like a personal dictator regardless of what everyone else thought and couldn't let go of her father who was likely to die anyway once he ran out of medication. If the roles were reversed and Kenny was the danger it would be the same thing.

    Like I said before in a hostile environment like the one presented in the Walking Dead one must think of survival rather than morality when they need to choose between the two. Humans work the best in groups so sometimes the groups priority is actually better for your own survival, so when you have an unstable part of the group that runs around shooting innocent people in the head without proof it kinda becomes a serious problem.

  • @Calamitymlc said: Well the issue with what you're purposing first off is that the Duck/Larry situation were very different in impending danger. You could visually see as a player in the first scenario that Duck had not been bitten, also Duck did not show any signs of pain or anguish like a scream or bleeding. (You saw how easily the walker bit through Shawn's jugular in the first episode.) Also Duck was a child who probably weighed like 90 pounds, and could easily have been taken care of if he turned with Carley's pistol.

    Larry was a 300 pound monster that had a heart attack and wasn't breathing. The chance of resuscitating a 70+ year old man that large is pretty unlikely, especially without proper equipment. There were no weapons around and you had a minimal amount of time to kill him before he turned. Also the whole groups life was at stake every moment they sat in that meat locker, as you soon find out that the plan was to kill everyone and keep one person alive for food.

    Lily was an instigator from the first time you met her, always putting herself forward instead of the groups interests. Always instigating group drama whenever she could, even if everyone was against her she still thought she was right. She ruled like a personal dictator regardless of what everyone else thought and couldn't let go of her father who was likely to die anyway once he ran out of medication. If the roles were reversed and Kenny was the danger it would be the same thing.

    Like I said before in a hostile environment like the one presented in the Walking Dead one must think of survival rather than morality when they need to choose between the two. Humans work the best in groups so sometimes the groups priority is actually better for your own survival, so when you have an unstable part of the group that runs around shooting innocent people in the head without proof it kinda becomes a serious problem.

    Your first paragraph is a bit incorrect. A walker falls on top of Duck just like the scene in ep. 3. Duck wasn't bitten in ep. 1 but he could've been, just like in ep. 3. You couldn't know for sure and Duck didn't scream in ep. 3 either. To me the way Duck is bitten in ep. 3 is made no purpose. It shows that Duck could've been bitten in ep.1 and it makes you think how you handled the situation as compared to later events.

    If Larry was dead and was about to reanimate it would've been very difficult to destroy him. Still not impossible, and there would've been casualties. However, if Duck was bitten in ep. 1 there would've been casualties as well. Katjaa, at least. Shooting around the gun could've entirely changed the way ep. 1 develops. Carley shot one walker and zombies almost entered the store. The fact that some other shooting far away prevented that from happening was sheer luck.
    To me personally both situations are very similar as regarding to the risk. I did take the risk both times, because I refuse to give up hope. Regardless whether I dislike Larry or not, he should be given chance.... for Lilly's sake at least.

    I'm do not share your opinion with your third paragraph at all. It's Kenny that is always making the drama, always being irrational and trying to boss people around. In his logic it is normal to bring 2 new strangers in a camp full of starving people. He blames Lilly for not wanting to help people and for being a monster. Later, however, it is the right thing to smash a group member's head with a salt lick. Kenny is always the person who's doing the right thing in his opinion, no matter how inconsistent he is and everybody else doing or thinking differently are just losers who do not possess his incredible level of understanding. Even after ep. 2 it is Kenny again that is making the drama, not giving a week for Lilly to mourn, once again putting his family in front of everybody else.

    As final words I will say that I do not have problem with your pragmatism vs morality idea. However, if you're going to smash Larry's head, in my opinion, you should've thrown Duck out as well. He was a threat and he could've bit Katjaa. As a survival type of guy, your first reaction should be to get rid of Duck, not defend him just because you like Kenny. Treating your friends better than your other group members is thing that will get you killed in ZA.

  • @YamiRaziel said: Your first paragraph is a bit incorrect. A walker falls on top of Duck just like the scene in ep. 3. Duck wasn't bitten in ep. 1 but he could've been, just like in ep. 3. You couldn't know for sure and Duck didn't scream in ep. 3 either. To me the way Duck is bitten in ep. 3 is made no purpose. It shows that Duck could've been bitten in ep.1 and it makes you think how you handled the situation as compared to later events.

    If Larry was dead and was about to reanimate it would've been very difficult to destroy him. Still not impossible, and there would've been casualties. However, if Duck was bitten in ep. 1 there would've been casualties as well. Katjaa, at least. Shooting around the gun could've entirely changed the way ep. 1 develops. Carley shot one walker and zombies almost entered the store. The fact that some other shooting far away prevented that from happening was sheer luck.
    To me personally both situations are very similar as regarding to the risk. I did take the risk both times, because I refuse to give up hope. Regardless whether I dislike Larry or not, he should be given chance.... for Lilly's sake at least.

    I'm do not share your opinion with your third paragraph at all. It's Kenny that is always making the drama, always being irrational and trying to boss people around. In his logic it is normal to bring 2 new strangers in a camp full of starving people. He blames Lilly for not wanting to help people and for being a monster. Later, however, it is the right thing to smash a group member's head with a salt lick. Kenny is always the person who's doing the right thing in his opinion, no matter how inconsistent he is and everybody else doing or thinking differently are just losers who do not possess his incredible level of understanding. Even after ep. 2 it is Kenny again that is making the drama, not giving a week for Lilly to mourn, once again putting his family in front of everybody else.

    As final words I will say that I do not have problem with your pragmatism vs morality idea. However, if you're going to smash Larry's head, in my opinion, you should've thrown Duck out as well. He was a threat and he could've bit Katjaa. As a survival type of guy, your first reaction should be to get rid of Duck, not defend him just because you like Kenny. Treating your friends better than your other group members is thing that will get you killed in ZA.

    Well what I meant is that if Duck was really truly bitten to be an immediate danger he would have been in a more serious condition but I see what you mean. Either way it would have taken Duck a fairly long time to turn, he could have been dealt with long after the fact if he was bitten, while Larry was presumed to die in a few minutes which caused a lot more problems. The danger between each is not equal, that's why throwing out Duck made much less sense than killing Larry. Especially because it doesn't make sense to lose an ally over something that could be easily managed.

    As for the Kenny situation I guess we can just agree to disagree, I guess that's the whole point of having two conflicting characters, eventually people will pick sides :P.

  • @Calamitymlc said: Well what I meant is that if Duck was really truly bitten to be an immediate danger he would have been in a more serious condition but I see what you mean. Either way it would have taken Duck a fairly long time to turn, he could have been dealt with long after the fact if he was bitten, while Larry was presumed to die in a few minutes which caused a lot more problems. The danger between each is not equal, that's why throwing out Duck made much less sense than killing Larry. Especially because it doesn't make sense to lose an ally over something that could be easily managed.

    As for the Kenny situation I guess we can just agree to disagree, I guess that's the whole point of having two conflicting characters, eventually people will pick sides :P.

    I will just point out that you always lose an ally, no matter what you do in the meat locker.
    The first time I played the game I considered Kenny an ally, until the meat locker scene. Then I realized that I've made some really bad decisions as to where my loyalty should be.

  • I wouldn't of let her get back on the R.V we didn't know Ben was innocent or guilty at that time and you don't kill members of the group. Look after your own, and if someone kills your own intentionally then they are your enemy.

  • Hi all,

    Of course I've leaved her !
    The way I played and the way I felt Lee with Carly, then it is obvious that - with my own emotion and character - I have leaved her; It is rough, yeah, but ....
    However, I played an other game nearly at the same time, and choosed to keep her with us (but Carly is not in the story, regarding a choice I made in the EP2).
    So I have both situations at the same time.

  • I ditched her when she murdered Carley, I'd ditch her if she murdered Ben.

  • If it were my choice, I would have left her at the Motor Inn after the bandit attack. It was obvious to me that she was a loose cannon and that keeping her around would result in something bad.

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