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Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

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I guess I may be the only one here who would still support Lily if she shows up at some future point in time.
Why?
I appreciate her leadership skills, her selflessness (having to make all those little decisions is really difficult) and her reasoning. She tried to keep this group together, she did her very best but some other people...like Kenny always tried to have it their way, always consider what's only best for his family.
I think we all agree it was difficult giving the rations the first time in episode two. We got a glimpse of what she has to do every day. People hated us for those choices, so they hate her even more for having to do it every day. But there's no one else who would do it.

She was still pretty reasonable until Kenny murdered her father. People can complain that he saved them and all that crap... but you couldn't have known for sure and that's the truth. He overreacted and again being the selfish asshole he is, he did the easiest choice for him. Eliminate the enemy and undermine the leader's authority.

In episode 3 we see things haven't changed. Lily is still the only one to really tries to protect the group. Lee, of course, helps always and as much as he can, but others like Kenny... they didn't even feel bad for what they did in episode 2. Kenny ruined this group and yet he still wanted things to go his way. He kept pushing Lily without really doing anything for the group. He was determined to abandon all.
Carley... she didn't really do anything. She could've stepped in and helped Lily when she saw she was about to snap... but she didn't. The only thing she actually did was tease Lee, look cute, and avoid participation in almost every important discussion. The downfall in episode 3 is partially her fault as well.
When the bandits attacked the group it was again Lily that came to the rescue to a group that hated her. Kenny wouldn't swallow my disrespect for him and actually tried to get me killed too many times in this episode.
Ben... and Kenny really started a chain reaction. With both their stupidity combined they managed to indirectly kill Carley, Katjaa and Duck as well destroy the group from within.
Both cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.
I would so love to see them gone in episode 4 & 5. I don't need stupid people in my group, people who know nothing about responsibility or humanity.


It was sad to see Lily snap but I guess there is a line as to where a person can take it. In the end of the day I'm sure she'll regret her choices and will eventually learn from them. She kills Lorry cause she believes they are threatening her group. When she sees how wrong she was she offs the Governor. That's a pretty redeeming deed in my book, one that clearly shows she actually develops.

I would certainly love to see more of her in future episodes/seasons.

So, am I the only one? :D Even if I am, I will still be defending this position to the end :P

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  • @YamiRaziel said: ...1. Kenny is trapped and walkers are approaching. It is only you and him. Do you risk your own skin and save him after all the times he left you for dead and treated you like crap? Will you become like him and if you just abandon him or there is a fine line between compassion and foolishness? Why save somebody who will and has left you to die?

    I would still try to save him (as of my personal character being now, who knows what a real Zombie Apocalypse would do to me) for sure. No matter how he treated me before.

    @YamiRaziel said: 2. Same as 1. with the difference that Omid, Christa, Chuck and Ben are in danger if you try to help him. Again, always help your group or he's not worth it.

    How can there be a "not worth it" in a real life situation? Real people around you would die dude, wouldn't you care at all?

    @YamiRaziel said: 3. This is the ultimate challenge. Same as 1 and 2 but Clem is in danger too. Will you put Clem in danger (even if it is not a great danger) if it means that you're holding to your humanity?

    A situation like the end of episode 3?
    YES!

    There are no children in a Zombie Apocalypse, everyone has to contribute. Do anything you can for her to be save and then do it!

    @YamiRaziel said: 4. Omid's leg gets worse. You doubt that he's might not even make it. Do you leave him as Kenny suggests and move on? Do you tell Kenny to F himself and try to help the guy even though you hardly know him and it is not gonna be easy?


    Where did Kenny say to leave him? I would leave him if there was no other choice, but I wouldn't want to think ahead of fate. Not my job to do.

    @YamiRaziel said: Everybody feel free to comment provided you understand the way people who sided with Lilly in the meat locker think.
    Actually even if you do not, you can still comment, just say your choice in ep. 2.

    Larry was the only character I wanted six feet under, but when the time and chance came, I tried to keep him alive.

    Situational and real hatred are two pair of shoes...

  • @YamiRaziel said: To all of you fellas that ended up in Team Lilly in ep.2 and still dislike Kenny, I have a question.

    What would you do if in ep. 4 Kenny is in some very serious danger and you have a choice whether to help him or not.
    1. Kenny is trapped and walkers are approaching. It is only you and him. Do you risk your own skin and save him after all the times he left you for dead and treated you like crap? Will you become like him and if you just abandon him or there is a fine line between compassion and foolishness? Why save somebody who will and has left you to die?
    2. Same as 1. with the difference that Omid, Christa, Chuck and Ben are in danger if you try to help him. Again, always help your group or he's not worth it.
    3. This is the ultimate challenge. Same as 1 and 2 but Clem is in danger too. Will you put Clem in danger (even if it is not a great danger) if it means that you're holding to your humanity?

    4. Omid's leg gets worse. You doubt that he's might not even make it. Do you leave him as Kenny suggests and move on? Do you tell Kenny to F himself and try to help the guy even though you hardly know him and it is not gonna be easy?

    Everybody feel free to comment provided you understand the way people who sided with Lilly in the meat locker think.
    Actually even if you do not, you can still comment, just say your choice in ep. 2.

    Can I comment even if I sided with Kenny? Personally, I would...

    1. Save him. I'd put myself in danger to save a friend who I think still has a chance. He has saved me in the past and if I save him now he could do it again in the future.

    2. Help him again. Christa can hold her own, and Ben needs to step up anyway. This could be a good chance for him to grow a pair. They can, of course, leave me behind if they want to. I'd expect them to if I can't free Kenny and/or I get bitten. If they see the situation as hopeless, I don't want them to risk everything for me. And I'd trust Christa to take care of Clem if something were to happen to me.

    3. This one's the real kicker. How much danger is Kenny in? Does Clementine have a gun? We taught her how to use one, she may be able to defend herself if she does. If you leave Kenny, in a way it makes you like him. You demonstrate that you are willing to let others die to save the people you like. On the other hand, if Clem can't defend herself isn't it our duty as her protector to save her? If I had to, I'd say I save Clem. Kenny doesn't have a family anymore. Lee has Clem. She can't defend herself as well as a grown man, and when the ship is sinking you always yell "women and children first!"

    4. If he slows down our group's progress, we would leave him. We have no supplies and are in what used to be a densely populated city before the ZA. I would put him out of his misery though, if I had the chance. Just plain leaving him would be really painful, as I'd want someone to at least end it quickly for me if I were in his situation. We can't risk the group for one person who has a good chance of dying anyway. Humanity/morality is useless if we all get killed doing the right thing.

  • 1) I'd save his stupid ass.
    2) No one left behind.... unless they cap one of the group in cold blood.
    3) Depends on the level of danger.... Her vs Kenny.... Kenny's fucked. But if she's not gonna die... I'm getting Kenny.
    4) I think Omid may be screwed in this case >_>

    My choice to try and save Larry was pure politics. Kenny pissed me off and so I sided with Lilly (since I felt I'd need her as an ally since Kenny's brain failed to engage correctly) - I was glad I did, Lilly was a solid ally. But it was just about manipulating my position.

  • 8Bit_System, I think you got a bit confused. This is not my opinion, those are just the questions. I'm still haven't made up my mind on what to do.

    Rock114, of course you can comment. You opinion is always appreciated. If you had done a meat locker (Lilly side) play, would something change for you?

    DreadMagus, as I read your answers I'm starting to doubt if my questions aren't a big ambiguous.

    1. Maybe I did ask question 1 in a bad way. We know that Lee is certainly not gonna die before ep. 5. So this Kenny and Lee is too simple a choice. It's like the scene in Macon but in reverse. Kenny is trapped under the door and you're wondering whether to save him or not. In order to be honest though, forget for a moment that you're Lee and that you have plot armor. Imagine it is you, all that happened to Lee happened to you and that you MIGHT die.
    2. Is something like the Larry scene. You have the option of trying to save Kenny but that will/might endanger Ben, Chuck, Christa, and Omid. You can leave all together and they nobody will be in danger, except for Kenny who's gonna be dead :D
    3. In three it is not only Clem, Kenny and you, but the others as well. Are you risking your entire group's safety for one man, or are you immediately leaving him behind? If it is Kenny? If somebody else? If Clem?

    The main reason I asked those questions was because in my play, Kenny is a total ass and we disagree about almost everything now. I did a lot for him and he repaid me with betrayal when I tried to save Larry.
    Now in ep. 4 if he's in danger and it is up to me to help him or run, or not risk other people's lives for him, I'm not sure what I will do.
    On one side, unlike him I do try to help of all my people but I also agree with Lilly. "I'm not responsible about every struggling survivor out there".
    After Kenny left me for dead twice in a row is he really still somebody I should risk my life for? Is he a part of my group? Are we really a group or just a bunch of not total strangers that are traveling together?

    I do hope you guys understand me. I'm not sure I make a lot of sense :)

  • 1. Kenny is trapped and walkers are approaching. It is only you and him. Do you risk your own skin and save him after all the times he left you for dead and treated you like crap? Will you become like him and if you just abandon him or there is a fine line between compassion and foolishness? Why save somebody who will and has left you to die?


    I would help him, He doesn't always help Lee but he will if you aren't surrounded like in the pharmacy.

    2. Same as 1. with the difference that Omid, Christa, Chuck and Ben are in danger if you try to help him. Again, always help your group or he's not worth it.
    I would probably save the 4, if its like the Larry scene I'd help kenny because its not a positive hes dead.
    3. This is the ultimate challenge. Same as 1 and 2 but Clem is in danger too. Will you put Clem in danger (even if it is not a great danger) if it means that you're holding to your humanity? I would probably help Clementine instead, As Ive already said Kenny has nothing to live for, I wont choose him over a kid who still does.
    4. Omid's leg gets worse. You doubt that he's might not even make it. Do you leave him as Kenny suggests and move on? Do you tell Kenny to F himself and try to help the guy even though you hardly know him and it is not gonna be easy?Yeah, I would.
    Everybody feel free to comment provided you understand the way people who sided with Lilly in the meat locker think.
    Actually even if you do not, you can still comment, just say your choice in ep. 2. I chose to save Larry, and if lily wasn't forced out of the group I would still have her with me.

  • Do any of us? But leaving Kenny would be a really great irony moment for those that tried to save Larry. Then again, you'd be guilty of doing the same thing he did...

    And yes, I have a save where I try to save Larry. Everything Kenny does after either results from cowardice or petty hatred. Poor Lilly was covered in her father's blood too. since my original playthrough is with Kenny, Kenny cowering in the stall just seemed out of place for me. That moment where he gives Lee that "I fucked up" look right before he runs off for Kat was pretty cool though. I'm not sure if my choices would have changed if Kenny left me originally though. When I was holding Lilly back I wasn't thinking "Fuck'im up Ken!" I was thinking "Lilly I am so sorry sorry sorry sorry..." I didn't start this game cynical and jaded, but I really only care for Clem and Kenny now.

  • My answer is, for any of them, risk vs reward - if it's possible (and doing so won't get someone else killed) - I'd do it. I don't leave people behind.

    I wouldn't even leave Ben to die, though I'd gleefully send him on his way alone.

  • @YamiRaziel said: To all of you fellas that ended up in Team Lilly in ep.2 and still dislike Kenny, I have a question.

    What would you do if in ep. 4 Kenny is in some very serious danger and you have a choice whether to help him or not.
    1. Kenny is trapped and walkers are approaching. It is only you and him. Do you risk your own skin and save him after all the times he left you for dead and treated you like crap? Will you become like him and if you just abandon him or there is a fine line between compassion and foolishness? Why save somebody who will and has left you to die?
    2. Same as 1. with the difference that Omid, Christa, Chuck and Ben are in danger if you try to help him. Again, always help your group or he's not worth it.
    3. This is the ultimate challenge. Same as 1 and 2 but Clem is in danger too. Will you put Clem in danger (even if it is not a great danger) if it means that you're holding to your humanity?

    4. Omid's leg gets worse. You doubt that he's might not even make it. Do you leave him as Kenny suggests and move on? Do you tell Kenny to F himself and try to help the guy even though you hardly know him and it is not gonna be easy?

    Everybody feel free to comment provided you understand the way people who sided with Lilly in the meat locker think.
    Actually even if you do not, you can still comment, just say your choice in ep. 2.

    1) I'd leave Kenny to whatever fate awaits him. Kenny was informed that Lee and Clem agreed on a plan to go our own way. Based on Kenny's reaction he understood that he was no longer part of the Lee & Clem group. Whatever happens to Kenny is not our concern. Kenny and Ben are dead to me. Kenny since the meat locker and Ben when he admitted to being the traitor.

    2) I would help Charles, Omid and Christa.

    3) I would help Clem.

    4) Kenny need not offer his opinion. He has a consistent pattern of disagreeing with Lee on everything. Kenny is a malcontent that has a boat to catch and is not welcomed in the group. I would try to help Omid.

  • @YamiRaziel said: 8Bit_System, I think you got a bit confused. This is not my opinion, those are just the questions. I'm still haven't made up my mind on what to do.


    Yeah, I was actually only answering those question, but you are right, I was thinking aloud and made it look as sort of a personal attack.

    I didn't mean to do that at all. So, sorry for that. :)

  • Nah, don't worry. I didn't take it as a personal attack. I just thought I wasn't being clear enough as to what I meant :)

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