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So who threatens Ben when they find out he's the one that was dealing with the Bandits?

Lee sure goes off his rocker! But it kind of made me rewind and do the segment again because although it's a damn crappy thing to do. It was Lilly that caused what happened.

So my question to you all, who do you ultimately blame?

Ben or Lilly?

And how did you react to Ben when he fessed up?

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  • @Yertos said: Doug died trying to save Ben who should not have been saved, while with Carley she just gets shot point blank in the head. They're both to blame but I don't blame Lilly AS much when you have Doug rather the Carley.


    Ben is not to blame for either death from my standpoint. Lilly chose to be a murderer, wether she snapped or not. There was no reason to shoot anyone of the group at all.

    I actually liked Lilly and understood her issues but when she decided to shoot, she also decided to load all the guilt on her shoulders.

  • I blame the bandits. cowards picking on one of the weakest to get what they want. I hope they all got munched on.

    I didn't want Lee to be too hard on Ben. Though he is still pretty harsh wit the "Geez Ben..." or whatever. Then when I talked to Ben again, and he was surprised that I still wanted to talk to him, I chose the "of course" one. After that it was mostly Hi, then Bye. Watching Ben's head just fall into his hands again.

  • Ben, Lilly, And Kenny, all have something major in common...They all did what they thought was necessary, and nothing will change that.

    So in my opinion I will blame none of them, forget killing someone over a mistake.

  • Honestly, it was a failure of the group in general that got us to this point. Lilly and Kenny share the blame for letting things go as far as they did, so they have to take a lot of heat. What Ben did was only the catalyst, but his actions were so unnessecary and stupid that he gets just as much blame. There were so many different and better ways he could have handled the bandit situation that may have resulted in us keeping the motel, and nobody dying. Kat, Duck and Carley/Doug are on HIS head. Especially Doug, if you saved him.

    I threatened Ben on the train even though I knew it was him before the bandits even attacked. He stayed silent and let agood person die because of him. Carley sticks up for him, while Doug takes the bullet outright for the kid. Carley/Doug didn't have to die, but Ben let it happen because he didn't have the courage to admit his mistake. If he had fessed up, I wouldn't have let Lilly, or Kenny, or anyone kick him out. He did what he thought was right, and if he could take responsibility for everything that went wrong because of it then he deserves a second chance. I would have made HIM the one to shoot Duck though, so he could see what his actions caused. But since he wasn't willing to admit what he did was wrong, and stupid, he got ANOTHER person killed. That was pure cowardice, and if he crosses my Lee one more time he'll wish we'd left him at the motel during the raid.

  • I don´t know what to think of anyone anymore. I had a nice relationship with Lilly until she shot Carley. When she did, I didn´t dare leaving her by the side of the road, so she then stole the RV from me. And when Ben confessed, I didn´t threaten him either.

    They were both to blame for Carley´s death, but I didn´t have the strength to do anything to either of them. When I reflected on that in my playthrough, it made me feel like shit.

  • I ultimately decided that it was Ben's fault for getting the group out from the motor inn. It's good that he confessed to Lee for what he did. From what I can see from the episode 4 trailer, he's not going to have the courage to tell Kenny.

  • @Viser said: I asked why he would do that, but kinda hoped Lee would be a little less aggressive about it. The boy was already drowning in guilt.

    And I can't really blame anyone... I mean, it's not like they did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

    Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!

    Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!

    it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

    regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

    When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

    This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

    I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

  • @WowMutt said: Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!

    Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!

    it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

    regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

    When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

    This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

    I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

    Actually, I believe there was a similar scene in Platoon, an American movie set during the Vietnam War. Near the beginning, some guy fell asleep and I think the other was too afriad to do anything when the Viet Cong showed up, so one or two guys ended up dying in the firefight, plus the guy who fell asleep. They were ready to lynch them, and the guys who messed up the watch were new, just like Ben was to our group.

  • @WowMutt said: regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

    When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

    This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

    I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

    But if you look at it, everyone has fucked up their on way somehow. I see that whole situation outside the RV not as something that's only one person's fault, that whole "mental breakdown" thing has been building up ever since episode 2, when Lilly and Kenny started arguing. Ben's deal was just the last straw. That's why I can't blame anyone, because then a lot of people would be to blame for that.
    So, Ben fucks up once. He feels guilty as hell, it seems to me that the mistake won't repeat itself. But if he keeps fucking up, I won't be so forgiving. For now (and just now), I'm fine with him, and I hope he and Lee can build some sort of friendship and trust, so Lee can help him in situations like the one with the bandits.

  • They're both to blame, but I hate Ben more. Only by a bit, though. And I hate both very much so.
    I could (although extremely slightly as I also hate her) sympathize with Lilly because of everything that she went through, but Ben is a bratty traitor who didn't place trust in the group that if it weren't for them, he would be long dead. I don't feel any pity for him and couldn't care less if he dies, tbh.
    Ben was the reason why Lilly started getting suspicious as he was stealing the supplies. He didn't admit it was him when Lilly was threatening Carley. Lilly pulled the trigger, but Ben started it all. And Kenny had a part in it as well since he's what caused Lilly to go nuts, but I personally love Kenny.
    I was very disappointed when I couldn't push Ben off even when I threatened him and was a total ass to him after the RV scene.

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