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So, About Ben...

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Was there anyone else out there like me who has been saying again and again that they'd off that little bastard if they got a chance but then couldn't "pull the trigger" when the time came?

I know I've wanted to kill the little puke since Carly died (I had a hunch right away that he was behind the stolen stuff.) When he finally admitted it I REALLY wanted to kill him. Then the punk failed miserably at what should've been an easy task of watching after Clementine. I was so ready to kill him.

However, when the opportunity arose... I couldn't do it. I just couldn't bring myself to kill a person when the opportunity was there to save him.

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  • Am I the only one who doesn't like Kenny? ;)

    In fact, at the end of the fourth episode, I finally had Lee go off on him. I always felt he was a character that only cared about himself and his needs. Even in the first episode when you have to choose between saving Duck or Sean...my gut was to go with Sean. Nothing was keeping Duck on the tractor, he wasn't stuck just scared, and his parents were nearby. Sean however was trapped under the tractor, due to Duck's actions. Kenny blames Lee for this, for not helping his boy. When they arrive in Macon, and you try to calm everyone down and convince them that Duck isn't bitten...Kenny blames you for not sticking up for his kid enough. In my game, his wife even tries to explain his angry behavior several times, by always saying "He means well..."

    To me, he doesn't mean well, he's just a jerk. Nothing you do will ever be enough for him. I even took care of Duck for him (although Episode 4 claims I made him do it), and he still treats Lee like crap.

    At the end of Episode 4, I chose the angry option, and he's the only one who didn't accompany Lee to find Clem (even after showing them the bite).

    I realize maybe there are choices that make Kenny more of a friend to Lee, but sheesh. Not in my game. ;)

  • Yep.

    I wrote about it in some other thread, but basically I think that the creators kind of subconsciously manipulated my emotions with all that talk about Crawford killing off it's weak members.

  • @AlexisPius said: Yep.

    I wrote about it in some other thread, but basically I think that the creators kind of subconsciously manipulated my emotions with all that talk about Crawford killing off it's weak members.

    I think there is a fundamental difference between the people that Crawford killed and killing/not saving Ben. The people from Crawford that were killed or kicked out, appeared as a weakness to the leader of Crawford such as diabetics or the elderly or children. These people while they may have not been able to pull their weight, they didn't really do anything wrong/stupid to hurt the group. Yes, they may have been an extra pull on resources, but were they actively detrimental to the group? I think maybe not.

    Ben, on the other hand, has shown at least a few times (depending on your viewpoint on the whole Travelier Inn debacle) that not only is he not able to pull his own weight, but he ends up actively (though not intentionally) hurting the group. Honestly, if Ben were a kid that stood in the back, didn't say much, but didn't contribute much either (positive or negative), I would have saved him. The problem is that when trying to help, he does something stupid that endangers everyone else. You can say that he is young and stupid or whatever, but the reason why he does stupid things is sort of irrelevant. He has gotten several group members killed through his actions (direct or indirect), and has shown no improvement in terms of his actions. At this point (at least for me), it's a risk/reward analysis, and frankly the rewards are far outweighed by the risks.

  • I seriously got angry every single time he made a mistake because when he did, the outcomes of those actions could've had/had huge consequences. But i always felt sorry for him. He's not the kind of guy who makes mistakes because he doesnt give a f*k about anything but himself, he's the kind of guy who makes mistakes then feels guilty every time, i just accept him as a guy who can/will make mistakes and dont trust him with vital missions.

  • @skepticalguy90 said: I think there is a fundamental difference between the people that Crawford killed and killing/not saving Ben. The people from Crawford that were killed or kicked out, appeared as a weakness to the leader of Crawford such as diabetics or the elderly or children. These people while they may have not been able to pull their weight, they didn't really do anything wrong/stupid to hurt the group. Yes, they may have been an extra pull on resources, but were they actively detrimental to the group? I think maybe not.

    Ben, on the other hand, has shown at least a few times (depending on your viewpoint on the whole Travelier Inn debacle) that not only is he not able to pull his own weight, but he ends up actively (though not intentionally) hurting the group. Honestly, if Ben were a kid that stood in the back, didn't say much, but didn't contribute much either (positive or negative), I would have saved him. The problem is that when trying to help, he does something stupid that endangers everyone else. You can say that he is young and stupid or whatever, but the reason why he does stupid things is sort of irrelevant. He has gotten several group members killed through his actions (direct or indirect), and has shown no improvement in terms of his actions. At this point (at least for me), it's a risk/reward analysis, and frankly the rewards are far outweighed by the risks.


    I totally understand why people would let him die, and in fact I agree on all the points you make AND I had threatened to kill him multiple times. So you can understand why it was so perplexing to me as to why I chose to save him - I wasn't clear about why I even did it at the time. So what I mean is that looking back, I think that the events at Crawford may have put these sorts of ideas in my head that it was better to save him.

    And it's hard to explain, but I don't regret it at all. Maybe because afterwards he instantly agreed to help me look for Clementine, which stood in stark contrast to Kenny being really petty and cruel about it.

  • @AlexisPius said: I totally understand why people would let him die, and in fact I agree on all the points you make AND I had threatened to kill him multiple times. So you can understand why it was so perplexing to me as to why I chose to save him - I wasn't clear about why I even did it at the time. So what I mean is that looking back, I think that the events at Crawford may have put these sorts of ideas in my head that it was better to save him.

    And it's hard to explain, but I don't regret it at all. Maybe because afterwards he instantly agreed to help me look for Clementine, which stood in stark contrast to Kenny being really petty and cruel about it.

    Well, Kenny is a selfish dick.

  • @skepticalguy90 said: Well, Kenny is a selfish dick.

    At least he show his true self for everybody, unlike Ben. First the betrayal, left Clem with the zombies (funny thing he wasn't frozen to save his own ass), irresponsibly openning the door which resulted in one more death...

  • @MaverickHunter said: At least he show his true self for everybody, unlike Ben. First the betrayal, left Clem with the zombies (funny thing he wasn't frozen to save his own ass), irresponsibly openning the door which resulted in one more death...

    That is the thing that gave me a little pause with Ben. Ben was not acting maliciously (at least I don't believe so), if I could have just forced him out of the group, I would have, but that didn't happen unfortunately.

  • @Ghositex said: You didn't kill him because you're smart. Smart people don't kill other people just because they "don't like him". Congratulations, you have a little humanity left.

    Yagami Light.

    You can't really generalize the smart people like that.

    Also at least in my case it was more like the Batman situation. Lee can choose not to kill him, but that does not mean that Lee is forced to save him either. It was Zombies who did the deed.

  • @SabreNation said: Was there anyone else out there like me who has been saying again and again that they'd off that little bastard if they got a chance but then couldn't "pull the trigger" when the time came?

    I know I've wanted to kill the little puke since Carly died (I had a hunch right away that he was behind the stolen stuff.) When he finally admitted it I REALLY wanted to kill him. Then the punk failed miserably at what should've been an easy task of watching after Clementine. I was so ready to kill him.

    However, when the opportunity arose... I couldn't do it. I just couldn't bring myself to kill a person when the opportunity was there to save him.

    I'm pretty sure that is why Telltale gave the player the choice.

    You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?

    But then I play all my save slots so I got to see the priceless face expression of ben as you let go. He looks surprised for some odd reason.

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