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Aggressive TWD comments on TTG blog in entries for entirely different franchises

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Let me just say something first. I love The Walking Dead so far. I think it's the best thing Telltale's done since The Devil's Playhouse, and I'm not complaining about the game itself in any way.

However, it seems like the game is bringing in a lot of people who, what's the nicest way to say this...aren't interested in being part of the community.

You're unhappy with the release schedule? Fine. I admit Telltale needs to communicate stuff like this better myself. But it seems like that's all that's ever discussed anymore. It'd be nice if we could at least keep that stuff contained to a single "release date bitching" thread.

But what really gets me is how the blog posts about the Sam and Max/Monkey Island sales got flooded with comments going "Don't care, where's the next Walking Dead episode?" Maybe it's just because I love Sam and Max and Monkey Island, but that kind of stuff just really rubs me the wrong way.

I mean, let's be fair, everyone's new at first. You don't need to have an in-depth knowledge of Telltale's library to be here (though it helps ;) ). And no, you don't have to care about those games. But keep it to yourself, especially if you're going to use it as an excuse to segue into something completely irrelevant. What would you think if, the next time Telltale did a Walking Dead-related blog post, I went "Don't care, where's Sam and Max Season 4?" Or how about I go into every single thread you make and say "Don't care, go buy my new book?" You'd probably think I was a huge jackass, and you'd be correct. Since apparently apathy needs to be broadcasted, I really don't care that you don't care.

Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get this off my chest.

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    fusedmass BANNED

    Now Now. I'm new to this whole community. Not a ton of people are like that. I personally can wait as long as they want for another release. Would it i like it sooner? Yes. Am I going to yell at them if they don't? No

    Not all of us are bad you can't judge an entire book by its cover. Plus this is a breakthrough to tell tayle games. This is what they wanted isn't it? high success rating. With this game being this good bringing in new fans which is great for business. Keeps them floating.

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    @Red Panda said: The one thing I can say about the TWD fanbase compared to the old is they are a lot more enthusiastic about the game. They complain about dates but not the game.

    It's not so much the case with other games.

    There's a visible shift in complaint topics, I agree that much. But first of all, there's a reason release date complaints were on the rise this time, which is that Telltale could not keep the advertised monthly schedule, not even by the usual five to six week definition.

    This has nothing to do with the TWD fanbase. The BTTF fans might have reacted in the same way had they been confronted with a one month delay right off the bat. The Sam & Max fanbase, well, they at least have a fighting chance to have escaped their slight mobification - as after three Seasons, they have the firm expectation that Telltale will eventually deliver; and a LOT of these people have already argued three to five years ago that Telltale shouldn't "rush things" and "take their time" to make a better episode. Experience isn't gathered with a single game, and trust isn't spilled easily if your first experience is a negative one.

    And second, yes, there are of course complaints 'about the game'! About this character killed and that character killed; about choices without lasting consequences; about the psychological depth and believability of the characters; about comic/novel canon violations - and so on. And if these topics are addressed in a calm manner, well, that's exactly what most of the community is here to do, to not passively digest this story, but to voice opinion about it too, criticism included.

    @Red Panda said: [LIST=1]Now it's pre BTTF time and not walking dead? Wow. That's a drastic shift in position. Way to stick with your guns.

    A shift in position? Whose position? Certainly not the original poster's, where I perceive VERY visible brackets around BTTF, JP, L&O and BoC:
    @Red Panda said: I love The Walking Dead so far. I think it's the best thing Telltale's done since The Devil's Playhouse

    As I said, "the old community" is a diffuse identity. You'll maybe find people who came for Back to the Future and still have a "TWD fans are rioters" attitude, thus euphemizing the BTTF blog comments of the past.

    @Red Panda said:
    Not all of us are bad you can't judge an entire book by its cover.

    It's not the cover. It's just a very small chapter which has shoved itself in the front page direction which is rather unfortunately printed in excrement ink. ;)

    @Red Panda said:
    Edit: Vainamoinen, were you going to adjust the thread title, or are you still waiting for more suggestions? It does seem to be something that people are fixating on rather than the real message of the first post.

    I was hoping that someone would make a better suggestion... than that monstrosity I put up there just now.

  • @Vainamoinen said: I was hoping that someone would make a better suggestion... than that monstrosity I put up there just now.

    It's not too bad. Not so graceful, but it's succinct, accurate, and potentially less likely to offend.

  • @Cheeseness said: It's not too bad. Not so graceful, but it's succinct, accurate, and potentially less likely to offend.

    So you finally admit it's offensive. Good for you.

  • @Cheeseness said: How is that a shift? I'd always said pre-Universal, and I called you out several times for ignoring that.

    Lie.

    I will continue to highlight it so that it can be understood, and perhaps convince others to be outspoken against it.

    Nobel cause. Maybe you can cure cancer next.

    Interestingly, you yourself said that the kind of behaviour discussed in this thread should stop, and is "not even debatle or up for discussion". Upon what authority did you make that determination?

    You don't need authority to give an opinion.
    lol, keep trying.
    Keep denying.

    It's very obvious that I'm not talking about general release date complaints.

    No it isn't.

    Your ability to misinterpret, misconstrue and misappropriate the words of others almost seems intentional.

    Passive aggressive much?

    In case you're not aware, you are coming across as unnecessarily aggressive, and I'd like to ask you to please consider your attitude when posting.

    Back at you. See above.

    I find your comments to be amusing

    Thank you.

  • @Cheeseness said:
    Are you denying Vainamoinen's account of people being stalked? Are you denying lucidity02's account of being attacked on these forums? Are you denying that comments like "walk off and die," "It shows how pathetic and imapteint you are," "So shut your mouth and go play your stupid dog and rabbit kiddie game," are more hurtful than saying that people who say that sort of stuff are "huge jackasses" (as if being accused of being a large mule is particularly offensive anyway)? Are you denying that comments like "All these people saying they don't care about Sam and Max make me want to cry. :(" are evidence of people feeling offended and hurt?

    Is this like when the fantastic better-than-the-average-gamer old school TTG community said they wanted to kill me in this very thread?

  • @Red Panda said: Lie.


    Look, I don't know what your problem is, but your attempts to label me as a liar are ridiculous. All they show is that you don't read what others say. Here's where I started to talk about it.

    @Red Panda said: As somebody who's been vaguely present member of the Telltale community over the past 5 years, I feel that it's up to me to correct you in your false belief that things weren't any better before. The kind of behaviour that the OP is talking about is uncivilised, and we had none of it (certainly not of the voracity that we've seen recently) before the Universal deal started to bear fruit.

    @Red Panda said: Nobel cause. Maybe you can cure cancer next.


    If cancer were a social trend, then I'm sure it would have been cured by now. How are you even drawing parallels between those?

    @Red Panda said: You don't need authority to give an opinion.


    Yet you say that I need an authority to hold my opinion that this needs to stop?

    @Red Panda said: No it isn't.

    Again, you've ignored what's been said. I specifically mention the incidents of stalking, and you tell me that I'm talking about release date complaints? Seriously.

    @Red Panda said:

    Your ability to misinterpret, misconstrue and misappropriate the words of others almost seems intentional.


    Passive aggressive much?


    That's not passive aggressive. That's a sincere statement.

    I am starting to believe that you are being intentionally abrasive and putting words in others mouths (like when you just accused me of lying). Based on your attempted manouvering in trying to get me into a position where you could tell me "Yeah, sorry. That's what you're choosing to believe, not what's there," I imagine that you are trying to incite some aggressive behaviour so that you can claim that those who disagree with you are exhibiting the same behaviour highlighted in the first post.

    @Red Panda said: Back at you. See above.


    I have been very polite towards you, much more polite than I believe you deserve, and certainly far more polite than you've been to me. I don't expect you to acknowledge that, but I hope that others will.

    Even if I haven't, that's no reason for you to not reconsider how you present your arguments if you are not intentionally being inflammatory.

    @Red Panda said: Is this like when the fantastic better-than-the-average-gamer old school TTG community said they wanted to kill me in this very thread?

    Sure, definitely. This isn't about old or new, it's about people behaving like "huge jackasses". Whilst that behaviour is new, I don't deny that it's coming from both sides (if there are indeed sides). Some of the quotes I included there have come from fans of older games.

    @Red Panda said: So you finally admit it's offensive. Good for you.


    I never denied that people were offended by it (please stop putting words in my mouth). I denied (and still do) that it was the OP's intent to offend (so, people were are offended by it didn't need to be), which was clear from what I had said previously.

  • @Cheeseness said: we had none of it (certainly not of the voracity that we've seen recently) before the Universal deal started to bear fruit.

    See how you qualified that? Recently, meaning TWD? See? Lie. You were obviously mainly referring to TWD or purposely putting out vague positions so you can shit easily.

    If cancer were a social trend, then I'm sure it would have been cured by now. How are you even drawing parallels between those?

    The parallels between the two is it's hard to stop them; practically impossible. The difference between the two is one isn't even worth trying to stop. Guess which one.

    Yet you say that I need an authority to hold my opinion that this needs to stop?

    No, but you didn't give an opinion. You issued a proclamation. Big difference.

    Again, you've ignored what's been said. I specifically mention the incidents of stalking, and you tell me that I'm talking about release date complaints? Seriously.

    No. Plus I was being stalked on the forums by old school users. Shame, really.

    That's not passive aggressive.

    We'll have to agree to disagree.

    I have been very polite towards you, much more polite than I believe you deserve, and certainly far more polite than you've been to me. I don't expect you to acknowledge that, but I hope that others will.

    Me too.

    Even if I haven't, that's no reason for you to not reconsider how you present your arguments if you are not intentionally being inflammatory.

    Are you saying I'm flaming? Wow. All this talk about insults and you say that, just because I'm in San Francisco. You need to drop the stereotypes. I'll forgive though because I'm a nice person.

    Sure, definitely. This isn't about old or new, it's about people behaving like "huge jackasses". Whilst that behaviour is new, I don't deny that it's coming from both sides (if there are indeed sides). Some of the quotes I included there have come from fans of older games.

    Shifting positions again. Now it's new behavior and not new people. I guess you can do that when being vague in the first place.

    I never denied that people were offended by it (please stop putting words in my mouth). I denied (and still do) that it was the OP's intent to offend (so, people were are offended by it didn't need to be), which was clear from what I had said previously.

    That's the same thing as denying it. In fact, it's even more offensive way of denying it. You're implying people are only offended b/c they're too stupid to understand what they're reading. And what does the writers intent matter to how other people are offended? It doesn't work that way. Ever.

    You talk all this shit about I don't respect you blah blah blah but I never intended to disrespect you. Still, did my intent matter then? No. I guess intent in relation to respect only matters when you're trying to prove a point.

  • So many cool stories, most of which are getting beyond rational discussion (I notice that we're getting a bit more inappropriate language, and I'd like to see that stop). You have some interesting outlooks on life and social interaction that I don't share and am glad aren't practiced anywhere I've lived/visited, but if they work for you and aren't unpleasant for those around you, then that's great.

    I will highlight this though, as I think it is very revealing about the dissonant nature of our discussion.

    @Red Panda said:

    Even if I haven't, that's no reason for you to not reconsider how you present your arguments if you are not intentionally being inflammatory.

    Are you saying I'm flaming? Wow. All this talk about insults and you say that, just because I'm in San Francisco. You need to drop the stereotypes. I'll forgive though because I'm a nice person.

  • @Cheeseness said: You have some interesting outlooks on life and social interaction that I don't share and am glad aren't practiced anywhere I've lived/visited, but if they work for you and aren't unpleasant for those around you, then that's great.

    Passive aggressive. It's such a thinly veiled insult I don't see why you just don't come right out and say it.

    @Cheeseness said: I will highlight this though, as I think it is very revealing about the dissonant nature of our discussion.

    lmao! You would point that out.

    But yeah, I'm done for real this time. Nothing left to add.

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