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Will Ben Screw Up Again In Episode 5?

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Everyone came with me (Including Ben) and I was wondering, would Ben screw you over like how he did from...the beginning of time, (I like Ben but his derpyness is off the charts) or would he somehow magically with the help of invisible mind pixies actually help you? (This is only for those who brought Ben with them at the end of Episode 4)

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  • its not if he will screw up again its how will he screw things up this time.

  • Since he could have died in Ep4, he will surely die in Ep5.

  • its not if he will screw up again, its how *bad* will he screw things up this time.

    i had to fix it;):p

  • @xXNinjaScoreXx said: Everyone came with me (Including Ben) and I was wondering, would Ben screw you over like how he did from...the beginning of time, (I like Ben but his derpyness is off the charts) or would he somehow magically with the help of invisible mind pixies actually help you? (This is only for those who brought Ben with them at the end of Episode 4)

    If/when he does, and I have the opportunity then he is dead. I still really regret not having the choice to kick him from the group back before Lilly killed Carley.

    What I do think though is this: You could take anyone with you. This means Episode 5, anyone you took with you will more than likely be cannon fodder. The only possibility for surviving will be left with Clem (of those who did not leave the group before the end of Episode 4).

    I could be wrong but one way or another the game is going to end the same for everyone. The only way to make it work is if everyone you could CHOOSE to bring with you dies or disappears BEFORE the end. other possibilities would create too much work for TellTale to finish the game before January.

  • Firstly, I don't think Ben is going to screw up. I think he might be goofy and make a minor mistake or two - but when things are at their worst, I expect he'll pull through.

    My belief is that the writers are making his storyline about him learning to become responsible and a stronger person.

    I don't think you can make any predictions that say everyone dies. The promise has always been that by the final chapter different players are going to have different experiences. I think the possible endings are going to be tied to which group of characters you have by the end.

    I am expecting a difficult "who is still going to be on the boat" decision. But the "everyone is cannon fodder" thing, I don't believe that will be the case.

  • @Evinshir said: Firstly, I don't think Ben is going to screw up. I think he might be goofy and make a minor mistake or two - but when things are at their worst, I expect he'll pull through. minor mistakes that cost lives ?

    My belief is that the writers are making his storyline about him learning to become responsible and a stronger person.. yeah but thats a bit of a copout, suddenly he grows up ? out of thin air from mind pixies ? (lol at ninja)
    I don't think you can make any predictions that say everyone dies. The promise has always been that by the final chapter different players are going to have different experiences. I think the possible endings are going to be tied to which group of characters you have by the end.

    ttg also said in the live playing dead, the story / end is fixed no changing. it's the journey and who lee is at the end that changes.

    simple fact a leopard doesn't change it's spots..

  • @Milosuperspesh said: simple fact a leopard doesn't change it's spots..

    That's not a fact. That's an idiom. And it's an old-fashioned one that doesn't hold up to factual scrutiny of human dynamism.

    Ben is a good person, with good intentions and I believe that in Episode 5 he will step up to the plate. I also believe that if TTG *really* wanted to screw with players, they would have his survival lead to a better ultimate outcome.

  • When I said if Ben will screw up, what I really meant was what kind of threat will he lay upon the group ;D
    (Invisible Mind Pixies ARE In Fact Real)

  • @Evinshir said: That's not a fact. That's an idiom. And it's an old-fashioned one that doesn't hold up to factual scrutiny of human dynamism.

    Ben is a good person, with good intentions and I believe that in Episode 5 he will step up to the plate. I also believe that if TTG *really* wanted to screw with players, they would have his survival lead to a better ultimate outcome.

    right so by your logic

    a young naive boy, who believes strangers with no proof, steals and lies to those who are kind to him and saved him from zombies. which is the catalyst for 1 death a suicide and the abandonment of a defendable position ?

    who then questions why he isn't being trusted, who asks for more responcibility, after abandoning clem surrounded by walkers, which then led to chucks death ?

    then blames it on someone else or expects others to take up the slack when it's clear no one else is going to, so then decides to leave 'clem' on her own knowing full well the consequences (if as lee we warn him)

    and then has the 'balls' to give that same person a scowl with more bad attitude cos they are giving him a bollocking cos he once again failed to do what was asked.

    then decides to remove a hatchet from a door which thusly releases the walkers, causing another death, decided to keep secrets for a short time before he doesn't like the guilt anymore, like a total wimp and coward decided to unload his crap just as the walkers surround them ??!

    seriously ? you expect him to turn around and get with the programme ?

    sorry but i ain't buying your bullshit.

  • What BS?

    Just because I'm capable of empathising with him and seeing his actions from his perspective rather than from the perspective of someone who is looking back at things after the fact and judging him then?

    Firstly - he's a scared kid. Bandits threaten to kill everyone, he does what he can to keep them at bay. Lily and Kenny are behaving like spoiled kids arguing over who gets to be boss - he doesn't think they'll listen to him. He should have gone to Lee - but at that point he hardly knew these people.

    Secondly - Lily is freaking bug nuts crazy and threatening to KILL people. He's a scared kid. Nobody knew that Lily was actually going to shoot Carly. That was LILY'S choice. (Which is why I abandoned her. Unlike Ben, Lily can't say she meant to do well. She knowingly took a life and then tried to blame everyone else.)

    Thirdly - when surrounded by zombies, it's totally believable that he'd freak out and run. It's a natural response. Clem *is* Lee's responsibility. Why wasn't Lee keeping closer to Clem? It was chaos, and anything could have happened. Sure, it was cowardly - but Kenny's done the same a-hole move and everyone is quick to forgive him.

    Fourth - When Clementine was in a safe place and Ben had been asked to help with an injured man. Clem chose to sneak out. Ben had been told to protect Clementine - he had no reason to believe she'd actually sneak out. Clem is to blame for risking her life.

    Fifth - when asked to get something to break down the armoury, he found an axe at a door where - at the time - there were no zombies banging on it. For all he knew, they were long gone. Dumb mistake, but Brie's death wasn't because of Ben's actions. Brie died because Kenny chose to also let loose with his grief and guilt, thus forcing the group to stay put with ravening hordes bashing down the door because KENNY was refusing to move and deal with the matter later.

    But again - a lot of people are quick to forgive Kenny.

    To be blunt - Kenny is a bigger liability. He's unstable, unreliable and irrational. Ben is just naive and a bit dim. Kenny could, and does, turn on the slightest provocation. Ben at least tries to make up for his mistakes and owns up to them.

    And I would still save both. Which is probably why they have both ended up in my group at the end of Episode 4.

    I think it's a very narrow view to see Ben as just a walking disaster. The reason things have happened the way they have is because of multiple characters screwing up, but Ben is the one that some fans are quick to blame for it all.

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