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Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

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I guess I may be the only one here who would still support Lily if she shows up at some future point in time.
Why?
I appreciate her leadership skills, her selflessness (having to make all those little decisions is really difficult) and her reasoning. She tried to keep this group together, she did her very best but some other people...like Kenny always tried to have it their way, always consider what's only best for his family.
I think we all agree it was difficult giving the rations the first time in episode two. We got a glimpse of what she has to do every day. People hated us for those choices, so they hate her even more for having to do it every day. But there's no one else who would do it.

She was still pretty reasonable until Kenny murdered her father. People can complain that he saved them and all that crap... but you couldn't have known for sure and that's the truth. He overreacted and again being the selfish asshole he is, he did the easiest choice for him. Eliminate the enemy and undermine the leader's authority.

In episode 3 we see things haven't changed. Lily is still the only one to really tries to protect the group. Lee, of course, helps always and as much as he can, but others like Kenny... they didn't even feel bad for what they did in episode 2. Kenny ruined this group and yet he still wanted things to go his way. He kept pushing Lily without really doing anything for the group. He was determined to abandon all.
Carley... she didn't really do anything. She could've stepped in and helped Lily when she saw she was about to snap... but she didn't. The only thing she actually did was tease Lee, look cute, and avoid participation in almost every important discussion. The downfall in episode 3 is partially her fault as well.
When the bandits attacked the group it was again Lily that came to the rescue to a group that hated her. Kenny wouldn't swallow my disrespect for him and actually tried to get me killed too many times in this episode.
Ben... and Kenny really started a chain reaction. With both their stupidity combined they managed to indirectly kill Carley, Katjaa and Duck as well destroy the group from within.
Both cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.
I would so love to see them gone in episode 4 & 5. I don't need stupid people in my group, people who know nothing about responsibility or humanity.


It was sad to see Lily snap but I guess there is a line as to where a person can take it. In the end of the day I'm sure she'll regret her choices and will eventually learn from them. She kills Lorry cause she believes they are threatening her group. When she sees how wrong she was she offs the Governor. That's a pretty redeeming deed in my book, one that clearly shows she actually develops.

I would certainly love to see more of her in future episodes/seasons.

So, am I the only one? :D Even if I am, I will still be defending this position to the end :P

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  • @Web Head said: Lilly fuckin' killed Carley unmercifully although she was trustworthy and LILLY KNEW IT WASN'T HER. TEAM LEE TO THE END **10 nuclear bombs explode as an expression of my madness**

    Stop trying to avoid direction questions at you because you knew Carley didn't deserve to die and yet you know that by justifying her lack of presence in Episode 2, whatever, your support in Lilly is ridiculous.


    Hello,
    I respect your angle but PLEASE don't forget what she had been through.

    I know Lilly IS a murderer and I don't try to reason her behaviour but,
    1)She was "so sure" that someone was helping the bandits: and it was True.
    2)She was just too depressed and angry with that traitor issue, as it caused a little boy to get bitten, and the lost of the motor inn: and it was True.
    3)She ran away, but "I think" she was too ashamed for what she did to continue with the group and maybe she thought it won't be good to be with them neighter for them nor herself: and I think it was True.
    4)No matter what, she were always strong and she were in a good harmony with others until she lost her father: and it is True.
    5) So, I think she is not a cruel person but she has a very dramatic doom: and it is True for me.

    On the other hand, there is a Kenny who is drinking? I can understand his bad feelings after he saw that boy in the attic and I can understand he is drinking because of his grief, but what about Clem? How can he turn his eyes away from her? If he has completely lost his hope for survival; what is he doing along them?
    If I went somewhere with someone else, and tragically if we got seperated with them when their little girl remained with my side; I'd look after her to the death. Lee might be away, Lee might get lost or he might disappear by a sever hole, and what should Kenny do after him? His first thing to do after they came back to their shelter was drinking! Sorry, but I can't forgive this.
    He caused Clem to get lost, but even so he continued reprove Lee severely about the boat, about how they will die etc etc...
    It was so selfish. Everyone else were in the same situation there and even Christa didn't act like him.
    "and probably assumed Clem wasnt so stupid as to wander off outside..." you are saying.
    Man, you shouldn't suppose,guess -or whatever- a child that he/she might do or not. You should keep your eyes on them. As always Lee were trying to do. A child is a child, nothing more.

    I'm talking about Kenny, because he is the main reason of all these. He caused this group to fall apart. He made a breaking point. And contrary to Lilly, he made this kind of things severely!(I'm sure everybody will see more of him on the last episode.)
    Man, what kind of a man can still walk around of a person after he has killed his/her father deliberately without no hesitation? Here we talk about company, not walking around though. They could wait and take care of the situation if Larry ever tries to turn. If Larry was about to turn, I'm sure Lilly should have been more reasonable and more brave with the result. But unfortunately Kenny has no brain!

    You are right with your angle at certain points. But there is something in the world entitle : Respect. Respect to other people's feelings&sufferings.
    On Walking Dead mini series-on tv, or comics, this kind of situations occured. But have you ever seen a Rick who grabs a rock and throws on Amy's brain in front of her sister Andrea?
    Probably not.

    Well, I prefer a confused Lilly than a shifty Kenny with me as a companion. Or I prefer her to a "good girl" Carley who never assumed responsibility when though decisions are being made. I loved her too, and I'm not saying she deserved it. But this is WD universe man, You can not just push someone -with a gun- 's buttons (hence if she is half mentally ill because of her father's death) freely by yelling at her with insults. I'm trying to keep my sympathies on Lilly, cause she did nothing unstable or bad before her unfortunate lost. She was always so reasonable and understanding to Lee, even though he and his group have joined and ruined her authority on her own group very badly.
    Please try to see the big picture, but not judge her with a single (and I admit, it was a terrible) mistake.
    I'm not only a big fan of Lilly, but I've already doing fanart promoting her. Here, take it if you can ;P
    ----->
    http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38875

    I really respect for those bad feelings about Lilly my friend, but please all of you who hates her, try to understand her "situation".
    All the best with NO TIME LEFT next week...

  • lilly cracked and murdered someone and that is all her fault (you can't blame murder on someone else that made you depressed), she was not a good leader (bad at rationing food, never listens) and there is no evidence she ever did anything to help the group and she was only the "leader" because larrys forceful character made her the leader, but kenny actually takes control and does things to help the group (organises people at the pharmacy and goes looking for supplies) i would rather have a man that actually gets things done by my side rather than an overemotional daddy's girl

  • @thestalkinghead said: lilly cracked and murdered someone and that is all her fault (you can't blame murder on someone else that made you depressed), she was not a good leader (bad at rationing food, never listens) and there is no evidence she ever did anything to help the group...

    Man, she is at least capable of shooting zombies with a gun.
    And Kenny cares for other people? I don't ever think so.

    You may prefer him than an overemotional daddy's girl side of you of course. But beware and don't ever forget, he can SUDDENLY leave you right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies.
    What a bro to watch your back! :confused:

  • @dukeleto said: Man, she is at least capable of shooting zombies with a gun.
    And Kenny cares for other people? I don't ever think so.

    You may prefer him than an overemotional daddy's girl side of you of course. But beware and don't ever forget, he can SUDDENLY leave you right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies.
    What a bro to watch your back! :confused:

    don't forget that lilly would have killed you if she didn't have a soft spot for Clementine and she will abandon you and Clementine at the side of the road, and i didn't say Kenny cares about other people i said he helps other people, who needs a leader that just sits in her room or on top of the RV all day? you need a leader that is willing to make hard decisions and get things done

  • @thestalkinghead said: don't forget that lilly would have killed you if she didn't have a soft spot for Clementine and she will abandon you and Clementine at the side of the road, and i didn't say Kenny cares about other people i said he helps other people, who needs a leader that just sits in her room or on top of the RV all day? you need a leader that is willing to make hard decisions and get things done


    About Lilly, she was always good at me and I never felt that she may stab me in the back? Maybe, these are all about the conversations we've chosen when we were talking to people. I never catch any single negative word from her about Lee.

    :)
    Who says that there was a need for "a leader" when Lee was there?
    He is doing AALLL the stuff and I me myself have no intensions for seeking another leader. Who gave Kenny that title? What did he do to earn it? During the whole game, driving that RV I guess.

    Man, he is useless as junk, believe me. He also mentioned himself several times: He messed everything up. Yes, this is the only one thing that he is right.

    Anyway, I don't knowwhat you do think while playing but I'm not forgetting that I'm playing this game, not Kenny ;)

  • @dukeleto said: About Lilly, she was always good at me and I never felt that she may stab me in the back? Maybe, these are all about the conversations we've chosen when we were talking to people. I never catch any single negative word from her about Lee.

    :)
    Who says that there was a need for "a leader" when Lee was there?
    He is doing AALLL the stuff and I me myself have no intensions for seeking another leader. Who gave Kenny that title? What did he do to earn it? During the whole game, driving that RV I guess.

    Man, he is useless as junk, believe me. He also mentioned himself several times: He messed everything up. Yes, this is the only one thing that he is right.

    Anyway, I don't know you but I'm not forgetting that I'm playing this game, not Kenny ;)

    i would say there was need for a leader, nobody gave kenny a title but i would have voted him as leader if that ever came up, lilly is useless she does nothing but complain and kill innocent people, whereas kenny spent the whole time gathering supplies and fixing the RV and he argued with lilly because he believed she was a detriment to the group and i agree

  • Lilly became mentally unstable and murdered someone in cold blood with no evidence, merely using a presumption to back her actions(which were probably fueled by personal dislike more than anything else).

    EDIT: I am obviously not very smart today, i thought i was posting in the Kenny thread >.<

    That's what i get for not getting much sleep and having multiple threads open at once...

  • Try to remember that in some playthroughs Lee did not help Kenny murder Lilly's father in the ep 2 meat locker. After this event, Kenny's true colors are revealed and a strong alliance/bond is developed with Lilly.

    The reason Lilly has an appreciation thread is because it is possible to develope a great relationship and friendship with Lilly when you did not help murder Larry and cease undermining Lilly as leader of the group with Kenny.

    Granted, things turned out differently when you did help muderer Lilly's father. Actions do have consequences sometimes negative ones at that. It may be percieved as stubborn Lilly support but many of us simply did not experience the Lilly you describe. Some people even say great things about Kenny which is strange to me since he has left me to die on multiple occasions. Just different games.

    In my game, Lilly was a beloved friend and did her best to keep the group safe. She is sorely missed and would be welcomed back if she decided to return. Lilly was a tough person trying to keep a lot of people safe under extreemly difficult circumstances but everone has their breaking point. Kenny took her to that breaking point and Ben pushed her over the cliff. Those two, primarily Kenny, are the ones to blame for everything that happened afterwards. Now that those two are gone from my group, I think Lilly would do just fine with us other than still being in a ZA of course :).

    Of course none of this is directed at Mornai. Get some rest my friend.

  • @Kiel555 said: Try to remember that in some playthroughs Lee did not help Kenny murder Lilly's father in the ep 2 meat locker. After this event, Kenny's true colors are revealed and a strong alliance/bond is developed with Lilly.

    The reason Lilly has an appreciation thread is because it is possible to develope a great relationship and friendship with Lilly when you did not help murder Larry and cease undermining Lilly as leader of the group with Kenny.

    Granted, things turned out differently when you did help muderer Lilly's father. Actions do have consequences sometimes negative ones at that. It may be percieved as stubborn Lilly support but many of us simply did not experience the Lilly you describe. Some people even say great things about Kenny which is strange to me since he has left me to die on multiple occasions. Just different games.

    In my game, Lilly was a beloved friend and did her best to keep the group safe. She is sorely missed and would be welcomed back if she decided to return. Lilly was a tough person trying to keep a lot of people safe under extreemly difficult circumstances but everone has their breaking point. Kenny took her to that breaking point and Ben pushed her over the cliff. Those two, primarily Kenny, are the ones to blame for everything that happened afterwards. Now that those two are gone from my group, I think Lilly would do just fine with us other than still being in a ZA of course :).

    Of course none of this is directed at Mornai. Get some rest my friend.

    i was talking about lilly in all kinds of playthroughs she never does anything i would consider to have any value to the group and she never demonstrates any leadership qualities , i have seen the best and worst of lilly and kenny, and kenny's best is better than lilly's and lilly's worst is worse than kennys

  • @thestalkinghead said: i was talking about lilly in all kinds of playthroughs she never does anything i would consider to have any value to the group and she never demonstrates any leadership qualities , i have seen the best and worst of lilly and kenny, and kenny's best is better than lilly's and lilly's worst is worse than kennys

    No matter which face of the characters you met, I know only one thing:

    Lilly was always looking into my eyes and my mouth when a tough decision was meant to be made, but Kenny, such irrilevant and irresponsible bastard always shouted at people first.

    Well, Kenny can kiss my a.., bro. He managed to come with Lee to the season finale, but this time I swear to God, I'll prepare him a surprise and I won't lose this very last chance ;)

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