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Chuck is Vernon's brother.

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I am completely surprised not one person mentioned this or how it is not mentioned in the wikia, but Chuck is a lot bigger of a character than it seems.

Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.

Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.


So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.

Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:

Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.

Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.


Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.

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  • I thought Kenny took the picture down, because well, he was the train's... conductor? Driver? Anyhow, his family had just died, and it was the picture of a happy family (as far as I can remember, I could be wrong), so it makes sense he would take it down so he could try to get the death of his family out of his mind. It's what made sense to me when I noticed it wasn't on the wall anymore.

  • I would assume that the train shut off on its own, or Chuck turned it off after the accident so it wouldn't attract walkers. If Chuck was going to do something to the picture, he had three months to do it. I find it entirely more likely that Kenny took the picture and threw it away. Notice how we see the picture there while trying to get the train started up, but the next time we have the chance to see it is after Duck and Kat's deaths, where it has suddenly vanished. Kenny probably didn't want to see a happy, smiling family after his own had been taken away from him so he got rid of the photo.

    Vernon mentioned the train because that was where the herd was coming into town. The herd followed the train, and thus would have hit Savannah from the railroad tracks. As a doctor, Vernon would have had little to nothing to do with trains before the apocalypse. He might be trying to get his group to the train and get them away from Savannah, but it isn;t because of some unknown link to Chuck.

  • @Rock114 said: I would assume that the train shut off on its own, or Chuck turned it off after the accident so it wouldn't attract walkers. If Chuck was going to do something to the picture, he had three months to do it. I find it entirely more likely that Kenny took the picture and threw it away. Notice how we see the picture there while trying to get the train started up, but the next time we have the chance to see it is after Duck and Kat's deaths, where it has suddenly vanished. Kenny probably didn't want to see a happy, smiling family after his own had been taken away from him so he got rid of the photo.

    Vernon mentioned the train because that was where the herd was coming into town. The herd followed the train, and thus would have hit Savannah from the railroad tracks. As a doctor, Vernon would have had little to nothing to do with trains before the apocalypse. He might be trying to get his group to the train and get them away from Savannah, but it isn;t because of some unknown link to Chuck.

    i believe the photo was missing from after chuck's appearance, and that was before kat and duck died.

  • and think about it, that train driver's head was blown off, didn't seem like a head injury.

  • I always thought it got smushed into the glass, which was the reason for the bloody hole in it. Plus, the smushed side is on the driver's left if I recall, which would be where the wound was if he slammed into the glass while looking at the picture.

  • @george1120 said: and think about it, that train driver's head was blown off, didn't seem like a head injury.

    imagine it like this:

    you are the train conductor, then the train cart wheels go loose, your head goes flying to the window then BAM! half your head is gone

  • 2 Words.

    Conspiracy. Theory.

  • I think it's a brilliant theory, minus the train conductor part but who knows.

  • Love this theory. It makes you think twice how and why Chuck ended-up in the sewers so close to the entrance of Vernon's bunker. At first, I just took if for granted he went down there to hideout; now I'm thinking: he tried to get back to the group in the morgue or more sinisterly he did get back to the group and they murdered him and left him to the walkers.

    This may be meant as a big revelation in the last episode, who knows...

  • I think that this is a bit of a stretch, I'm going to apply Occam's razor to this and just suggest that it's much more logical to assume the simpler conclusion; Chuck and Vernon didn't know each other, everything Chuck did and said was on the level (he kept no secrets), and the reason behind Vernon's ominous line "Y'all didn't come from the train tracks, did you?" is as of yet unknown and will possibly be further explained in Ep. 5.

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