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Episode 5 Disappointment (vent here) **SPOILERS**

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Telltale,
Firstly i would like to say great game and a fantastic concept. However the ending i would say is not so great. While it is very well made and certainly tugs at your heart strings, I didn't play the game and wait for the ending only to find out i die anyway... Now i know people may argue that you didn't see lee actually turn so maybe he will be ok, but the fact you left it this way is really a let down to the series. I was really looking forward to the last episode but in all honesty it just brought me down and i kinda wish i stopped playing at episode 4. :confused: There should be an alternative ending where you can at least live... Just my opinion.

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  • I think they should have kept Larry around longer, he was the most entertaining guy and the story should have gone on a bit longer then it did.

    Did ep3,4,5 take place in like 4 days???

    Would have been better if it was over a longer period of time, (Lee and Clem getting even closer, him becoming a dad to her etc), No silly radioguy holding a grudge oh and did I say this already MORE LARRY!

  • @aguyuno said: Walking dead tv show, comics, and this game... they've all been pretty depressing, think about it. It's reality based - Lee was effed, he just had one last thing.

    No, I thought the ending was actually perfect. My only disappointment was the lack of seeing Molly at any point. Not even zombie Molly or something, which is REALLY annoying considering you do see zombie Andrea at one point.


    Andrea isn't in the game and she is not dead in any of the Walking dead mediums. She is alive in the comics and the TV show.

  • @rwnz said: ^ Not Andrea, surely? Do you mean that chick who won the contest...? I forget her name. Or do you actually mean Andrea from the comic? If so, WHERE?


    Andrea isn't in the game and she is not dead in any of the Walking dead mediums. She is alive in the comics and the TV show.

  • @zivi7 said: "A tailored game experience – Live with the profound and lasting consequences of the decisions that you make in each episode. Your actions and choices will affect how your story plays out across the entire series."

    Many people posted things like: "I understand it's impossible to make many, many story threads fit together throughout several episodes." That's certainly true. But in the last episode anything was possible. They had the chance to make a gazillion endings based on the decisions throughout the game without worrying that these events wouldn't fit with those other players experienced.

    Instead, you get that cliffhanger which is meant to do just what you said: Create the tiny hope that at least next time your decisions will matter. Well, they won't. If the next season includes this seasons' cast, there will be something happeneing in the first few minutes that renders all those decisions pointless again. Because else they'd have the mentioned problem again that every player has a differently trained Clem.

    ^^^^

    This.

  • @Dave of Canada said: The entire point of the season was Lee's redemption story, whether or not Lee was truly a bad man and the circumstances surrounding his survival and taking care of Clementine--his death was the only way it was going to go down.

    You call it disappointing that you couldn't live but you're supposed to want to feel like you have an option of surviving, it's why I cut Lee's hand off and desperately acted in denial throughout the entire episode.

    If you thought Lee was going to walk into the sunset with Clementine at the end of the episode, you're (un)dead wrong. This isn't Disney's The Walking Dead.


    Well Rick and Carl are still alive after 103 issues to best of my knowledge so it's not unrealistic to imagine Lee making it through 5 episodes. This being said I expected Lee to die but he did not go out with a bang as others have said. He died failing. He will never know if Clementine made it to safety. So where is his redemption? As far as he is concerned he failed to get Clementine back to Christa and Omid which was is mission objective once he told them to meet him at the train station. Even if Lee died he should have still been able to die succeeding his goal. Even the guy in the Dawn of the dead movie was able to help the group get to the boat before he died and Will Smith's character in I am legend died knowing he helped Anna and the kid get away. Lee even looks like he feels he has failed.

    Cole Magrath dies in Infamous. I didn't have a problem with it because through his death he saved humanity and died knowing this. The same for Nariko in Heavenly sword where she died knowing she saved her people. After everything, Lee just dies. Yeah he saved Clementine from the kidnapper who was clearly crazy but he didn't finish his mission objective of getting her to safety and depending on how you played the game you may not even save her from the guy in the hotel, in those cases she saves you from him. The ending could and should have been so much more.

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    I didn't like How Ben was a bigger piece in the final one then we were lead to believe. I dislike how none of our options to decide who comes with us changes who lives or dies. Or that you can't change the outcome. I expected this to be the best tell tale game yet. But I'd rather our choices have a bigger impact.

  • @aguyuno said: Walking dead tv show, comics, and this game... they've all been pretty depressing, think about it. It's reality based - Lee was effed, he just had one last thing.

    No, I thought the ending was actually perfect. My only disappointment was the lack of seeing Molly at any point. Not even zombie Molly or something, which is REALLY annoying considering you do see zombie Andrea at one point.


    How was the ending perfect when Lee failed? Clementine survived but Lee doesn't know that because he wasn't responsible for getting her to safety. He didn't reunite her with Omid and Christa which was his only goal by the end of the game. Where is his redemption? He goes to the grave not knowing if Clementine made it out of the city. Come to think of we don't even know how safe she is when we see her last and won't know for a very long time. So there is no real sense of ressolve. If the season was tied up and conclusive the ending would have been good and rewarding.

  • @thebigbad said: The end of episode 4 made it pretty obvious that that was the direction things were heading. Now I'm not gonna lie, I had Lee chop off his arm and I hoped that it would be enough to save him, but alas it was not to be. Ever since the end of episode 4 I was pretty much of the mindset that Lee HAD to save Clementine before it was too late, and he did so. He died a hero in my book and while I would have loved for Lee to survive, I am perfectly content with the ending we got.

    Also, this is the Walking Dead...chances of happy endings are never going to be great.


    I don't know. Yeah the walking dead isn't usually about happy endings, but the comics aren't all doom and gloom. They have victories aswell as tradgedies and the protagonist for the comics is still alive after 103 issues. I didn't have a problem with Lee dying but the way it happened was underwhelming. Clementine survived but Lee doesn't know that because he wasn't responsible for getting her to safety. He didn't reunite her with Omid and Christa which was his only goal by the end of the game. Where is his redemption? He goes to the grave not knowing if Clementine made it out of the city. Come to think of we don't even know how safe she is when we see her last and won't know for a very long time. So there is no real sense of ressolve. If the season was tied up and conclusive the ending would have been good and rewarding. I would have felt better if I saw Clementine board the train with Christa and Omid at least, considering Telltale chose not to have Lee escort Clementine to the train, which is what I would have wanted and considered a rewarding ending for the time invested waiting for these episodes.

    I hope season 2's ending will be rewarding even if it means waiting till 2014 to play it.

  • @Destmond said: I can see why a few people are disappointed by the way things went in episode 5. But all it really seems like to me is "This didn't end how I wanted it to and that annoys me". :3

    From the very beginning I felt like the game's "true" focus was Clementine. Lee did have his own story, and playing as Lee, every player is going to explore his backstory and generally relate to him more.
    But Lee was Clem's protector, from episode 3 onward it was made clear you could never be 100% sure that everything was going to be okay and that Lee was basically preparing Clementine for how difficult surviving was to be.

    Maybe I'm just a little biased because I expected a sad ending from having gotten used to The Walking Dead comics, but that's just how The Walking Dead stories go. It's the apocalypse, things are tragic, and unfair, and if every dramatic, messed up, terrifying moment in the game series existed only to lead to a one in a million chance that Lee lives and they both walk away, it would defeat the whole point.

    Tl;dr version: It's a zombie apocalypse, Clementine survived. That's a happy enough ending for me.


    You say that but Rick Grimes and his son Carl are still alive after 103 issues. Carl has has been shot in his body and had quarter of his face shot off. Rick has had his hand chopped off and been shot in the chest and in his stomach and they are still alive. Rick Grimes is the protagonist of the walking dead. If Kirkman killed of Rick I personally wouldn't continue reading the comics and i'm sure many would feel the same way.

    The walking dead comics are shown through Rick's eyes. We don't see the zombie apocalypse until Rick wakes up from the coma. Likewise the game shows the apocalypse through Lee's eyes. He was the protagonist. Clementine is to Lee what Carl is to Rick. I don't think it would be any less realistic for Lee and Clementine to survive 9 episodes (season 2 is meant to be 4 episodes long) than it is for Rick and Carl to survive the 300 episodes that Kirkman has planned for the walking dead comic series, considering that 100 issues equates to only just over a year in Rick Grimes's time in this zombie apocalyptic world.

    I would have preferred a more conclusive ending. It still wouldn't be a happy ending because Lee died but it would have been a conclusive one if we saw Clementine reunited with Christa and Omid and board the train, explainning how Lee died after saving her life.

  • @Xebioz said: Yeah, but the point of having a "Your choices matter" game, is for replayability. For Heavy Rain I have no clue how long I've spent on that game. Everytime I play it something is different than last time I played it. And before haters attack me I know that this has a fraction of the money that Heavy Rain had behind it, but then don't sell it as a "Your choices matter" game.

    Again, as an adventure game it's great. As an interactive story it isn't.


    I agree 100%

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