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Anyone else feel like the writer for Episode 5 ignored everything set up in Ep 4?

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Having digested the ending for a few days, I'm starting to realize a few issues I've had with the ending, and a good number of them seem to likely stem from the fact that episodes 4 and 5 have different writers.

1. Ben's treatment
For those who saved Ben in Episode 4, I feel like the writer for Episode 5 completely missed what the one for Episode 4 had been building up for the character. After his series of ****-ups I expected there to be some redeeming moment (or hell, even just an attempt at one). Instead, all we got was Ben falling to his death and providing no closure for his character arc.

2. Kenny's treatment
Related to the above. This probably doesn't come into play with the Christa version, but it makes absolutely no sense from what we've learned about Kenny in the previous episodes for him to just randomly flip on his opinion of Ben so much that he would just sacrifice himself for absolutely no reason. Honestly, he could have just shot Ben much sooner and escaped just fine, but I guess the writer felt that an uncharacteristic suicide was in order.

3. Omid and Chrsta's fate.
This was also pretty bad. No matter what you tell the two of them, the simply disappear without an explanation. Clem doesn't find them and they certainly don't find you before you turn. What the hell was the point of the option then telling them what they should do? Was it really that hard for Telltale to make just 3 scenes depending on what you tell them to do that shows their fate? Hell, for instance, if you tell them to find the boat it could cut to a scene where they get attacked and killed by a horde near the harbor. If you tell them to wait for Clem it could show them meet up, or fail to meet up even. To simply have them disappear forever without any explanation is poor closure and poor writing.

4. Clem's Parents.
This was by far the worst handled segment of the entire series. For all the build-up towards finding her parents, all we got out of it was a 10 second segment where Lee falls unconscious and Clem almost freaks out. For something they've been building up since Episode 1, the essential hand wave of "hey here they are" and instant removal was simply insulting. I honestly can't believe they thought this part was going to be well received. Another chance at actually solidifying a character arc that they simple dropped the ball on.

Not to mention the fact that it is simply illogical that Clem would see her parents right next to each other. I mean really, what kind of mega coincidence is that?


Well, those are my main gripes with Episode 5. On a positive note, I found the Lee and Clem final scene to be rather well done, as I did the arm removal scene. The Part where Christa just starts cutting before I could even finish my response was both an oh **** moment and one that made me laugh.

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  • The part about the dead parents kind of fit. Lee knew long ago, and can even say back in Episode 1 that he thinks Clementines parents didn't make it. After what we saw happened in Savannah, it would be insanely unrealistic to just stumble on one or both of them alive and well.

    "Oh hey, strange man with our daughter. Glad you cared for her for nearly four months and brought her here to us. We were going to come back home and look for our only child, but it was just so dang comfy here in Savannah. The grunts of the dead were like lullaby's!"

    I agree it was a little clumsy just to stumble upon their walker corpses outside the Marsh House, but I thought it was a pretty good scene. It finally gave Clementine the closure she needed on seeing that her parents were truly gone, and really was amplified when she lost Lee shortly after that.

    I truly did enjoy the episode and loved the game, but I can't really argue on the other points. Endings are hard, and there will always be plot holes and unfilled promises/parts of the story. I'm just glad that I got a satisfying ending that I can tie together with the rest of the game, but I understand that others weren't as happy with it.

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    Originally Posted by CrazyandProud
    If you thought that it gave you a feeling of something larger that you have greatly misunderstood the whole story. It was never about something larger.


    @Doctanian said: Not really. You clearly don't know what I mean by larger. It gave me the feel of a world gone to hell. The opening car ride where you see police head into the city gives the game a much grander feel. You travel, meet new characters, and experience the struggle to survive in a broken society for the first 4 episodes. Yes, they were linear, but they didn't feel that way. Episode 5 felt confined and linear and lost a critical tone in the series.

    I'm sorry but I can't agree with you on this one.
    CrazyandProud is absolutely right. The Walking Dead has never been abound something larger. You expect that people will have their closures, emotional arcs and purpose... well I'm sorry but this is not what happens in The Walking Dead. That's why the fans like it.

    It is much like real life you know. Except for the zombies.
    We are rarely heroes, we most often do not have meaningful endings and whatever.

    1. Ben was build up for something more? Yes, he was. If it was a standard game he would have had a super heroic and meaningful death. I'm kinda glad he didn't. It's not the ending we should look to, it's the path.
    Ben stood up to Kenny, personally that's enough for me.

    2.Kenny's treatment - I agree that here I had my doubts as well. I guess it was just the resources and the pressure but had I had the option for example, I would never let Kenny join us again after he got beaten by Vernon and his group. I was so happy to be over with Kenny in ep. 4 and they kinda shoved him back at me, again. Well, you can't have everything.

    3.Omid and Chrsta's fate - that was expected as well. Had they found Clem and lived happily ever after, that would've been a cheesy letdown.

    4. Clem's parents - yeah, we all expected something bigger and that's the point of the Walking Dead. We expect a lot of things, but that's not how life/TWD works. Who knows, maybe Clem went to put them out of their misery after she left/shot Lee. Maybe she had a closure. We are Lee, we are dead and it is only natural that we wouldn't know what happens. Here comes the power of imagination.

    The only thing that I really disapprove is the final cutscene. I was really happy that the game ended when Clem shot me. In life you don't usually get to see what happens with your loved ones after you die (I guess). I was really happy with the ending until I found out that there is a cutscene after the credits. It didn't feel real and I still fail to grasp the point of it. If its idea is to be a cliffhanger, well I hope this is the last I see of those characters, so I don't really care. It kinda also shows that Omid and Christa didn't find Clem which kinda kills some of the scenarios in my imagination.

  • My only gripe is seeing Clementine's parents next to eachother as walkers. It's way too much of a coincidence. We already knew that her father was dead, so it would of been way more realistic if we just saw her mother.

  • @YamiRaziel said: I'm sorry but I can't agree with you on this one.
    CrazyandProud is absolutely right. The Walking Dead has never been abound something larger. You expect that people will have their closures, emotional arcs and purpose... well I'm sorry but this is not what happens in The Walking Dead. That's why the fans like it.

    It is much like real life you know. Except for the zombies.
    We are rarely heroes, we most often do not have meaningful endings and whatever.

    1. Ben was build up for something more? Yes, he was. If it was a standard game he would have had a super heroic and meaningful death. I'm kinda glad he didn't. It's not the ending we should look to, it's the path.
    Ben stood up to Kenny, personally that's enough for me.

    2.Kenny's treatment - I agree that here I had my doubts as well. I guess it was just the resources and the pressure but had I had the option for example, I would never let Kenny join us again after he got beaten by Vernon and his group. I was so happy to be over with Kenny in ep. 4 and they kinda shoved him back at me, again. Well, you can't have everything.

    3.Omid and Chrsta's fate - that was expected as well. Had they found Clem and lived happily ever after, that would've been a cheesy letdown.

    4. Clem's parents - yeah, we all expected something bigger and that's the point of the Walking Dead. We expect a lot of things, but that's not how life/TWD works. Who knows, maybe Clem went to put them out of their misery after she left/shot Lee. Maybe she had a closure. We are Lee, we are dead and it is only natural that we wouldn't know what happens. Here comes the power of imagination.

    The only thing that I really disapprove is the final cutscene. I was really happy that the game ended when Clem shot me. In life you don't usually get to see what happens with your loved ones after you die (I guess). I was really happy with the ending until I found out that there is a cutscene after the credits. It didn't feel real and I still fail to grasp the point of it. If its idea is to be a cliffhanger, well I hope this is the last I see of those characters, so I don't really care. It kinda also shows that Omid and Christa didn't find Clem which kinda kills some of the scenarios in my imagination.



    It's pretty obvious that they are building up for the second season.

  • @Sabiancym said: Why do you and so many other people feel the need to reply to every negative criticism of the game and try to tell that person that they're wrong? I'll never understand the fanboy syndrome. You like the game...awesome. Why do you get so upset when other people don't? Which you obviously are if you take the time to reply to individual posts and throw out insults.



    Why do those people who have an opposing opinion presume to have some higher intelligence by condescendingly calling everyone else a "fanboy"? Posting on a public forum is an invitation for debate. If you're looking for a pat on the back with no discussion, post a blog.

  • @CrazyandProud said: It's pretty obvious that they are building up for the second season.



    Yeah, but I don't think that season 2 will work if we have to meet or play with any of the characters from season 1.
    Maybe a teenage Clem (at least 16-17 years old) could work but I'm not sure that Kirkman would allow them to make such a time jump.
    I would've definitely loved it more if the death of Lee was the very last scene.

    Cyreen, I never expected that a day would come when I would agree with something you've said. Who knew :P :D

  • @YamiRaziel said: Yeah, but I don't think that season 2 will work if we have to meet or play with any of the characters from season 1.
    Maybe a teenage Clem (at least 16-17 years old) could work but I'm not sure that Kirkman would allow them to make such a time jump.
    I would've definitely loved it more if the death of Lee was the very last scene.



    It will probably be new characters. We won't play as a character with an established personality. I think there is defiantly still more room for more growth from Clementine.

  • It sort of felt like there was a lack of true consequence for some of the "major" story choices. All you get for abandoning Lilly is a brief mention of it by the stranger in Ep. 5. It seems like a lazy, contrived way for supposed "major" story choices to have real consequences. What about lying to Hershel, or shooting Jolene? Were those choices even mentioned at the end of the season? (If you tell Lily about Jolene, the game says "She will remember that", but she never mentions it afterward, even up to the point where she leaves the group). There's also no consequence for how you respond to Lilly's offer to go with her on the RV or not, nor is there any real consequence to surrendering or keeping your weapons for the confrontation with the Stranger, despite being listed as one of the "Big 5" story decisions.

    There are so many loose threads that never get tied up. Is Kenny really dead? What happens to Vernon and his group? What happens to Molly? What about Omid and Christa? Do they ever find Clementine? ...My ultimate hope for these is that Season 2 will tie in with the choices of Season 1, and we'll get to see what happens to these people. ...Although that may be over a year from now; the wait is so agonizing...

  • @CrazyandProud said: It will probably be new characters. We won't play as a character with an established personality. I think there is defiantly still more room for more growth from Clementine.



    If it is new characters then what happened to Omid and Christa? Why keep past game saves? I'd like to see some kind of explanation as to what happened with Omid and Christa.

  • @Cyreen said: Why do those people who have an opposing opinion presume to have some higher intelligence by condescendingly calling everyone else a "fanboy"? Posting on a public forum is an invitation for debate. If you're looking for a pat on the back with no discussion, post a blog.



    Insecurity in their opinion.

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