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The Wii U Speculation Thread

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With E3 just around the corner, I figure it would be a good time to make a topic on this-

Official Wii U Speculation Thread Theme Song - U SHOOK ME ALL LONG....YEAH U-U-U-U SHOOK ME ALL NIGHT LONG -

-Layout stolen from NeoGAF-

fsHDx.jpg"The Body"

aKEVJ.jpgWho? Reggie Fils-aime, the president at Nintendo of America. He kicks ass, takes names, and prevents localization of cool games.

The massive cult of personality that he's spawned on the Internet makes it a lot more fun to watch Nintendo in action. He's a fantastic quote machine, and he is generally very good at getting the company's philosophy across without saying much at all.

In just a couple weeks, get ready to "tick that box"!

"The Mind"

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"It isn't about 'games', for me, personally, and it never really was. It was about creating something- anything- far bigger than yourself."

Who? Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Donkey Kong. And Mario. And Zelda. And Pikmin. Also instrumental to some degree in the design or implementation of Excitebike, Ice Climber, Kid Icarus, Mother, Pilotwings, Mario Kart, Mario Paint, Wave Race, Star Fox, Kirby, Pokémon, Yoshi's Island, Killer Instinct, 1080° Snowboarding, F-Zero, Mario Party, Super Smash Bros., Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario, Wario Land, Eternal Darkness, Pac Man Vs., DKC, Metroid Prime, Geist, Chibi-Robo!, Nintendogs, Wii Sports, and Wii Fit, among others.

The personal deity of many a Nintendo fan, he makes fun worth having.

He could have made Halo if he wanted to, but he decided to throw Microsoft a bone.

"The Heart"

1XMvl.jpg"I have a question for you. Who's your daddy?"

Who? Satoru Iwata. He has great hair. And he has shown rather legendary business acumen for much of his time as the President of Nintendo. But now that times are tough, we ask ourselves: Was he merely a three hit wonder, or is he simply playing around before going in for an explosive kill?

0bpM9.jpg(as in, time to become privy to the information at hand about the thing that will be in your hand; the other possible meaning, the one you were probably thinking about, you sick sick person, likely applies as well)

DRC - Display Remote Controller
Official Aliases: "Subscreen", "The New Controller"
GAF Aliases: Wii U Tablet ("WUT", the most common thing people said when they first saw it), uTab, uPad, WiiPad, padlet, UC (pronounced "uicy", but only likely to happen if HylianTom stages a takeover of NCL), "The Wii U's Controller", "SubCon"
Capable of delivering fully-rendered, 480p images to your hands at 60fps. The system's gpu technically supports simultaneous output to four of them, but there are roadblocks on the way to making this happen for the end user. Has a sixth gen like layout with the following differences:
* triggers not confirmed to be analog
* face buttons likely not analog
* analog directionals have just recently been confirmed to be actual analog sticks
* A speaker and headphone port
* accelerometer, gyrometer and magnetometer for orientation and motion sensing
* That big honking resistive touch screen and a stylus
* What is partly confirmed to be a TV remote style IR transmitter
* A camera facing you which should have the capability of face tracking
* A built-in sensor bar
* A stand for when you use it as a sensor bar or as an accessory screen when using other controllers.
* An NFC receiver to interact with properly chipped real world objects (apparently represented by a small square below the d-pad)
* An unconfirmed small square next to the power button which could be a toggle to switch a one-display game from TV to controller

Note: Highly respected sources on this website claim that the analog directionals are "clicky".

Wii Remote Plus - You can use it to play virtual drums! Expected to be unchanged from the previous generation.

Nunchuk - Makes the classic Wii a split controller system, something we need more of for our aging, aching arms. Expected to be unchanged from the previous generation

Classic Controller Pro - Arguably the best sixth gen style controller, but here's hoping that it'll go truly wireless this time around. Expected to be unchanged from the previous generation D:

StreetPass device - You carry around this rumoured NFC-based "avatar" of your Wii U in your pocket, which allows the network to magically and dynamically interact with you as a player… somehow. Also could potentially be used for buy-and-run at retail stores, if Nintendo's clever enough.

2ufCZ.jpgWii U - An external drive with some added circuitry, from the looks of it. Rumoured to contain:
* Tri-core IBM "Power Architecture" processor, likely much more capable than that on the Xbox 360 but unlikely to ≥2x as fast in real world benchmarks. :O
* Pretty impressive AMD gpu, though within a power and cost envelope suitable for smallish embedded devices. Early rumour suggested ≥ 1 TFLOPS performance, but this was based on poorly mistranslated speculation. Mid-to-high triple digit GFLOPS are now generally expected. BS Xbox 360 multiplier factor could be as high as π.
* Memory, based on leaks, expected to be at least 1.5GB. Roughly 0.5GB is said to be reserved for the system's OS functions (an astonishingly high number, one never heard before for a home console), but this limiting number will likely decrease.
* A small amount of internal flash, rumoured to be split between a ~512MB, purely system-accessed chip and a far larger chunk of hardware for storing saves and other digital content.
* Expected capability for unlimited USB external hard drive expansion
* Support for Blu-ray media (sans the license)
* Also possible is the ability for games to run off of an SD card. This was reportedly used for systems at E3'11 and CES, but whether or not it becomes available for consumers is unknown.

Click for a compilation of (mostly developer) quotes found about the Wii U's graphics

SvS3M.jpgFLSxb.jpgOperating System: It's going to be quite impressive, with perhaps a ton of social features. We know little about it but have heard some very impressive murmurs from industry insiders

There may be some sort of Video on Demand, Pay Per View service

Retro's title? Probably not Zelda, probably not Metroid, certainly not Donkey Kong, probably not their own thing given the company's M.O. The only conclusion we can reach here is that Nintendo's just paying them to eat donuts.

Crytek UK? Damnit you guys, I'm all out of soul to sell, but you know what I want, and you know what I'd do for it! Anyway, one recent crazytown rumour suggested they were making a demo for the system but not a full-on game.

Confirmed titles:

1001 Spikes (developed by Nicalis, publisher unknown)
Aliens Colonial Marines (developed by Gearbox Software, published by Sega)
Assassin’s Creed III (developed by Ubisoft Montrea, published by Ubisoft)
Avengers: Battle for the Earth (developed by Ubisoft Quebec, published by Ubisoft) - Might have been a slip in a press release
Batman Arkham City (developed by Rocksteady Studios, published by Warner Bros. Interactive)
Cloudberry Kingdom (developed by pwnee Studios)
Darksiders II (developed by Vigil Games, published by THQ)
DiRT (developed and published by Codemasters)
Dragon Quest X Online (developed by Armor Project and Square Enix, published by Square Enix)
F1 (developed and published by Codemasters)
Ghost Recon Online (developed by Ubisoft Singapore, published by Ubisoft)
Killer Freaks from Outer Space (developed by Ubisoft Montpellier, published by Ubisoft)
Lego City Stories (developed by Traveller's Tales, published by Nintendo)
Marvel Pinball (developed by Zen Studios, publisher unclear)
Metro: Last Light (developed by 4A Games, published by THQ)
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge (developed by Team Ninja, published by Tecmo-Koei)
Pikmin 3 (developed by Nintendo EAD, published by Nintendo)
Pinball Arcade (developed by FarSight Studios)
Project CARS (developed by Slightly Mad Studios, publisher unknown)
Rayman Legends (developed by Ubisoft Montpellier, published by Ubisoft)
Super Smash Bros (developed by Project Sora probably with help from other teams, published by Nintendo)
Untitled project by Monolith Software
Untitled Rabbids project (developed and published by Ubisoft)

Hinted/Rumored:

Activision (Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Treyarch, Vicarious Visions, James Bond 007 game)
Bandai-Namco (Ridge Racer, Tekken)
Bloober Team (multiple titles)
Capcom (“Action game” listing)
Crytek (Nottingham team has Wii U SDK, and and they're excited about it)
Deep Silver Inc. (multiple titles)
EA (Sports titles, Medal of Honor Warfighter, Overstrike, Visceral Games)
Funbox Media Ltd (multiple titles)
LucasArts (action/adventure title, MMO)
Maximum Family Games, LLC. (racing title)
Reflections Ubisoft (several linkedln profiles hinting at Wii U project)
Rebellion (multiple titles)
Retro Studios (Nintendo)
Sega (Sonic, Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed)
Shin'en (has Wii U SDK)

E3 '11 Demos which could become titles:

New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Drawing app
Othello
Baseball
Golf
Wii Fit followup
Apartment Creeper spying game
Ninja star game
Videophone app
Web Browser
Photo/video viewer
Zelda

And recent hubbub from folks such as Shane Satterfield (Editor in Chief from GameTrailers) as well as a few insiders here suggest that there is a very impressive number of yet-to-be-announced games coming for E3.

Multiple sources suggest that Google is working with Nintendo in some way, possibly in regards to their software layer (but nothing to do with Android).

And remember:
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"I thought I would do a compilation of every quote I could find about the Wii U's graphics. Maybe it will give people a better idea of what to expect from this console. There's been so many quotes over the last year, and I wanted to compile a lot of them together. I didn't want to quote anyone who was an "unnamed source". These aren't in any particular order, but I tried to provide links and dates for most of them." - Oddduck (NeoGAF)

Shigeru Miyamoto - June 21, 2011

“We’re very sensitive, of course, to trying to do all of this at an appropriate price. So I don’t know that we would be able to sit here and say that it’s going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now. It’s part of the balance that we strike in terms of trying to find entertainment that is new and unique.”

Link: http://www.edge-online.com/news/miya...it-wii-u-power

Shigeru Miyamoto - January 30th, 2012

"Talking about the Wii U, it is going to be compatible with high-definition TV sets, which are now widespread and, with the graphics capabilities catching up to the general trend, some people consider it to be the ‘next-generation Wii.’ On the other hand, as far as graphics capabilities are concerned, there are already other hardware systems with similar functions. Therefore, we have designed the Wii U to be recognized as being different from any other hardware system."

Link: http://nintendoeverything.com/81957/...gh-uniqueness/

Shigeru Miyamoto - January 26th, 2012

"Miyamoto stressed that the company’s upcoming console won’t just be about improved visuals. However, he did seem to say that there will be some titles in which visuals will be important – including Zelda."

Link: http://nintendoeverything.com/81779/...ant-for-zelda/

Satoru Iwata - Jan 30th, 2012

"As we will showcase the Wii U at E3 in June this year, the detailed announcements must wait until then, but we are aiming to make a system which shall not be forced into competing with the others where the contenders can fight only with massive developer resources and long development times as their weapons," he said.

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop.

"It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion.

"When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

He offered Nintendo's quirky Rhythm Heaven series as an example, insisting that, "if we had adopted rich photo-realistic graphics, it would have lost much of its appeal."

"It is not necessary for us to deploy a huge number of people in order to develop such games," he continued, stating that, more than ever, Nintendo is bringing in third parties when it does need to develop more graphically complex titles.

"When we need massive power and have a lack of internal resources, we collaborate with outside resources and pour necessary resources to where they are needed. We are increasing the frequency of working with outside developers where Mr. Miyamoto and our internal developers alone used to develop.

Link: http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/4...budget-gaming/

Katsuhiro Harada (Tekken Producer): -February 28, 2012

"According to the report, Harada doesn't think Nintendo is planning to enter the graphics race with the Wii U. Instead games will stand out courtesy of the touchscreen controller and the unique features it enables. "

Link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-image-latency

Nintendo press release

"We do not focus on technology specs. We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers."

Marvin Donald (Game Director - "Darksiders 2") - March 23, 2012

""So far the hardware's been on par with what we have with the current generations. Based on what I understand, the resolution and textures and polycounts and all that stuff, we're not going to being doing anything to up-rez the game, but we'll take advantage of the controller for sure."

Link: http://www.gamereactor.se/nyheter/43...s+II-intervju/

Han Randhawa (art director - Darksiders 2) - March 28, 2012

"There is not much I can really talk about right now, but I think that the Wii U is a pretty powerful machine, which obviously means more resources, and means you can do a lot more. So the Wii U team is doing very well, we've been working with Nintendo and I think it's going to be a very exciting version of Darksiders but we want to keep the overall theme relatively consistent."

Link: http://www.nintengen.com/2012/03/dar...is-pretty.html

Colin Bonstead (Technical director - Darksiders 2) - June 7th, 2012

"When we asked Bonstead if he thought it was possible that the Wii U version of Darksiders II would be the best version of the game, he said, "Yeah, just because the hardware is more powerful and it will have some extra features that I think will actually be useful to people playing the game. With it’s controller, [the Wii U version of Darksiders II] might be the best version of the game."

Link: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...siders-ii.aspx

Brian Martel (Gearbox co-founder and chief creative officer)

""We've got the [Aliens: Colonial Marines] engine running on the Wii U, and as far as the console goes, you're going to see textures at a resolution that you haven't seen on [the current] generation," said Martel.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1180954p1.html

Brian Martel (Gearbox co-founder and chief creative officer) - April 4, 2012

Things like the Wii U are becoming very sexy with what you can do with the controller, especially with what you're able to do with the motion tracker or whatever the sub gameplay you'd get to see on there. I think the machine itself will have one of the best looking versions of the game because they've got more RAM [and] they're late in the cycle so they've got this really great processor.

Link: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201...ox_360_and_ps3

Randy Pitchford (Gearbox president) - Feb 27th, 2012

"We’ve been intrigued by what we’ve seen so far and are encouraging Nintendo to go as aggressively as they can afford with the performance specifications. We imagine that performance specifications are within affordable reach that would provide undeniable performance advantages over competitive platforms. Nintendo have a lot more experience than we do in managing the balance between performance and cost with their hardware, of course, so I do not want to be presumptuous."

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201...er_as_possible

April 4th, 2012

""It's a really cool system -- it's pretty powerful. I want to be careful, because I don't want to risk any sensitive information that Nintendo's not ready to share yet, but in our experience it's a great system. I think it's a really nice bridge to the next generation. I think people will be surprised. I don't know off the top of my head how many of the specs they've released, so I want to be very careful not to jump the gun, but we're very pleased with the hardware. And even since they gave us our first alpha kit, our very first 'pre-prototype' development hardware that they kind of let us play around with, they've done so many things to make the platform better. So it's getting better for us as developers."

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/04/04/ge...bridge-to-the/

Fumihiko Yasuda and Yosuke Hayshi (Team Ninja) - Jan 31st, 2012


"Team Ninja's Fumihiko Yasuda and Yosuke Hayashi broke the industry-wide silence on Nintendo's next-gen console, claiming its "very easy to develop for... We're finding it very similar to develop for Wii U as for Xbox 360 and PS3."

"They've asked us what we would want from the hardware, and when we give them feedback we can see that they're definitely listening to it and making changes," said Hayashi. "The hardware is still constantly changing."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...ms-team-ninja/

Mark Rein (Epic) - March 12, 2012

"Do you remember the Zelda demo they had on it? Would you not buy a Wii U just to play that? Of course you would. That's what Nintendo is all about. Their hardware is the software delivery service for their great content. That Zelda demo was gorgeous and we can do even more than that with Unreal Engine 3. I think it will do great."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...doesnt-do-well

Crytek founder Avni Yerli - September 20, 2011

That's the question we're asking now that Crytek founder Avni Yerli has confessed his love for the Nintendo Wii U's specs. That's right: he's actually excited over the hardware list, calling it "very good." That's excellent news from a development team whose notorious for bringing PC systems to their knees.\

"It's a challenge for designers, but once thought through it can add value, and that's what ultimately important," he told GamesIndustry in an interview. "Our guys in Nottingham, they are very happy with their tests on the dev kits and they're excited about it."

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Wii-U-Av...ews-12580.html

Cevat Yerli - (CEO of Crytek) - January 14, 2012

"Crytek's support for Wii U is definitely going to happen. We aren't showing it but we are pretty much running it already. We are expanding in many ways, and some of that is more announced than others.Kinect is major driver for future platforms as well, so Kinect support is important. Having basic Kinect support in the CryEngine is one thing, but I'm talking about really supporting it deeply. CryEngine is going to have deep support.

"Then there are other efforts towards supporting mobile and tablets, which we can only say we are working on. How far we have gone and what we mean is something I can't say more about now.""

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...ith-cryengine/

Rasmus Højengaard - Crytek Director of Creative Development - April 25th, 2012

"Fat chance," developer Crytek said.

Speaking to Destructoid, director of creative development Rasmus Højengaard said a Wii U release was "not on the cards". "I don't think it's going to be possible," he said. "Right now the launch platforms are PC, Xbox 360 and PS3, and I don't think it's on the cards to do a Wii U version."

Link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...crysis-3-wii-u

EA Sports - Vice president Andrew Wilson - July 27, 2011

"The short answer is yes [we have a better idea of Wii U's power]; the longer answer is not quite," said Wilson. "As every new piece of hardware and every new development library comes through we get a greater understanding of the power. With our early research we had been very happy with the output of the box and we expect that that will only go up moving forward.

"There are added challenges for us as developers when you think about rendering on two screens and what that might mean, but we're looking forward to that challenge.

"It's still moving," he added, "but I think we'll be able to do anything that we can do on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on the Wii U."


Xbox 360 launched in late 2005, and PS3 launched in late 2006 (March 2007 in Europe). More than five years on, can Wii U not go beyond what PS3 and 360 are capable of?

"I think that's our hope," answered Wilson, "but again we're still in the early stages."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ng-ps3-360-can

Peter Moore (COO of EA) - August 8, 2011

""People will start talking about it being a transitional platform. And I don’t think that’s going to be the case, and here’s why," Moore told IndustryGamers. "I think the [tablet] controller [is huge]. This is not about specs anymore... This is about, as it was with the Wii, is the controller a unique way of enjoying a game experience, regardless of what the graphic fidelity is?"

""Look, you saw Battlefield - how much better could this stuff look at some point? There’s a point of diminishing returns... I don’t even know if there’s anything better than 1080p. In the early days of our industry, this stuff was absolutely about how much better the games looked - shinier helmets, greener grass – but I’ve been around long enough to know that seeing your breath in a football game is a huge deal. But that’s no longer the case any more," he said. "Now it’s about interfaces. Now it’s about building a community in a rich, powerful,way. And now it’s about, 'What is the way we can control the game?' You’ve seen that with Move, you’ve seen it with Wii MotionPlus more recently, and you’ve certainly seen it with Kinect."

"And Nintendo’s job, quite frankly, is to build a better mousetrap with regards to the way that we use the controller. So I don’t know what Xbox and PlayStation’s plans for their next platforms are, but it’s not going to be hanging on graphic fidelity. I guarantee you that."

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/n...s-peter-moore/

Tyrone Rodriquez, Nicalis

"Sadly, the original quote was taken a bit out of context. Here's exactly what I meant: for what we need, and maybe for other developers, the Wii U's [capabilities] are more than sufficient for five to ten years. We're not making AAA games or using a crazy insane 3D engine, but the Wii U can definitely do both." - Tyrone Rodriguez, Nicalis

http://wiiugo.com/nicalis-talks-abou...g-wii-u-power/

Hip Hop Gamer interview with Darksiders II dev: - April 16, 2012

"Wii U is next gen hardware"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LyZa...ature=youtu.be

IGN/Fudzilla Report - Jan 24, 2012

"In real terms, the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/...as-current-gen

123 Comments - Linear Discussion: Classic Style
  • @Secret Fawful said: When I say enjoy not actually owning your games, I forget that you actually will enjoy not actually owning your games.


    Generally speaking, yes. I can use them just as well, if not better, than if I did "own" them. Ownership doesn't give me automatic patching, booting up a game without putting in a disc, or the knowledge that the game media won't be physically destroyed. "Real" ownership requires a physical storefront, physical storefronts require physical shelves, physical shelves have limited space. Prioritizing shelf space means only new and major titles show up on store shelves, unlimited store space means I can buy any game in the catalog whenever I want and not wait for shipping. I guarantee that the vast majority of my favorite games since 2005 would not be able to get physical store space. Those that did would not have found themselves there without their success in the digital space. 210 games on a physical shelf would take up a lot of room and take forever to sort through, 210 in a Steam library can be automatically sorted by a number of criteria and instantly booted right up by clicking a picture.

    I have no real desire to take a flamethrower to a piece of hardware that happens to contain a digital game. If I did, I could do so to my hard drive, or to a thumb drive, or to a DVD that had the files burned to it. I don't see "unlike the other option, this one is destructible" as a benefit.

  • i-H43Rv38-X3.jpg

    I'll be damned if that isn't the BEST idea I've seen for the asymmetrical gameplay experience that Nintendo's trying to push with the Wii U. It needs to happen.

  • @Secret Fawful said: Enjoy not ever actually owning your games ever. Oh, I'm using Steam too, but I REGRET IT. However, it's what I can afford. Then again, from a non-limited viewpoint, actually owning your video games doesn't matter when you're 90 and nearly dead.

    For a long time now, whenever I was to get a PC game on disc, I would always rip the disc to an image because I abhore disc-based DRM and disc images are easier to manage. However, (1) it doesn't always fool the game; (2) using No-CD cracks often breaks online multiplayer; and (3) my hard drive gets rather full with all the disc images.

    It turns out that Steam and GOG are a godsend in overcoming these problems.

    ...and anyway, you and I both know that if Steam shut down and the games were no longer available you would feel compelled to obtain them by...other means...since you had already paid for them.


    Oh, and I know it's not a problem anymore really, but I remember buying games like Phantasmagoria that need upwards of 7 CDs to fit all the game data on (heck, COMI was on 2 discs). Putting the install files on the cloud solves such issues.

    [EDIT:] Don't tell me you still buy audio CDs for all your music instead of using iTunes or Amazon. No one but audiophiles buys audio CDs much anymore.[/EDIT]


    ON TOPIC: Nintendo it seems have 2 primary goals in mind: 1) keep the console very small; and 2) keep the price down/competitive. As such, they seem all the more willing to sacrifice storage space to reach these goals. I do wish they'd have included an internal slot for a 2.5" HDD (a la PS3) but I wonder how much bigger the console would have been if they did. Not that I care about physical size, but apparently the Japanese care quite a lot.

  • @Chyron8472 said:
    ...and anyway, you and I both know that if Steam shut down and the games were no longer available you would feel compelled to obtain them by...other means...since you had already paid for them.


    [EDIT:] Don't tell me you still buy audio CDs for all your music instead of using iTunes or Amazon. No one but audiophiles buys audio CDs much anymore.[/EDIT]

    Okay. /DeepBreath

    If Steam were to shut down, we would get a chance to download all our owned games and Steam authentication would be removed in one way or another. Gabe has answered this question many times.

    I still buy CDs of great albums because the format quality is way better than MP3. In fact, MP3 is the worst wide released format to exist yet. Even cassettes sounded better over the hiss. I'd go vinyl, but they arent really portable. I may classify as an audiophile though. You've seen my DVDs, yeah, I have more CDs than that.

    On topic: I'm liking the WiiU less and less as this goes on. I don't think I'm going to be on board this time(although, I said the same about the Wii and cracked after a couple years).

  • @Johro said: If Steam were to shut down, we would get a chance to download all our owned games and Steam authentication would be removed in one way or another. Gabe has answered this question many times.

    I'm aware of this. I was really referring to the far future in which one may need to redownload a game but Steam's files are no longer available.MP3 is the worst wide released format to exist yet. Even cassettes sounded better over the hiss.One has to prioritize between file size and quality (file size is still an issue regarding portable device storage capacity), though I also don't particularly think that 256k bitrates sound bad. Further, MP3s don't skip, don't scratch, and don't degrade over time.

    Plus, MP3 = DRM-free = win. Sure, FLAC is also DRM free and sounds better but it's not widely supported and the file sizes are significantly larger.

    On topic: I'm liking the WiiU less and less as this goes on. I don't think I'm going to be on board this time(although, I said the same about the Wii and cracked after a couple years).

    same.

  • How are you guys liking it less and less? I'm liking it more and more, especially considering that the specs kick the crap out of the monolithic monstrosity dwarfing my Wii. Not to mention that one of the biggest things with storage space on the PS3, for example, is the PS3's apparent necessity to install about two to three gigs of data from the disk. The PS3 is a data hog. I can't say much about the 360 since I don't have one, but I'm sure it's not too much better off. And considering the prices of flash drives and external hard drives keep going down, I hardly see that memory is much of an issue.

    Platinum Games revealed that pretty much the only reason there's going to BE a Bayonetta 2 is because Nintendo helped pick up the franchise while Sega was trying to fix itself. So who knows. Maybe Nintendo will actually be able to KEEP an exclusive for once.

    ...I still doubt it.

  • @Shadowknight1 said: How are you guys liking it less and less? I'm liking it more and more, especially considering that the specs kick the crap out of the monolithic monstrosity dwarfing my Wii.


    Being better than hardware released six and seven years ago is not impressive. What is going to matter is that this console is already worse at digital distribution than standard PS3/360 models and most PCs. It's set to lag behind Sony and Microsoft's next machines hardware-wise.

    In 2005, Microsoft's 360 had a 20GB model. The PS3 launched in 2006 with 20 and 60 GB models. In 2005, you might have gotten away with calling a 32GB machine "premium". Not seven years later. Not in 2012. In 2005, 8GB might have seemed more than reasonable for a core model. In 2012, 8GB seems tiny for a mobile device, let alone a box unit that costs three hundred dollars. In 2005 we had yet to hear about the first iPhone, in 2012 the lowest storage tier that device offers is 16GB, double the WiiU's lowest offering, and scales up to 64 GB, TWICE the WiiU's most premium offering.

    Not to mention that one of the biggest things with storage space on the PS3, for example, is the PS3's apparent necessity to install about two to three gigs of data from the disk. The PS3 is a data hog. I can't say much about the 360 since I don't have one, but I'm sure it's not too much better off.


    360 *is* better off. Installing software to the hard drive is completely optional. You still have to deal with forced patching upon putting the game in the drive, but overall these are software/firmware issues, NOT inherent problems that come with having large amounts of storage. Actually having storage is a good thing. It's a downright necessary thing in this day and age.

    And considering the prices of flash drives and external hard drives keep going down, I hardly see that memory is much of an issue.


    That doesn't matter.

    If all you can count on is 8GB of space, then as a developer you are not going to support that ecosystem. Most people won't have a 3TB drive attached to the thing. Built-in storage isn't optional, it's not a minor thing, it is a necessity to create the conditions under which a digital distribution system can thrive. It's not about YOU or YOUR storage, it's about what amount of storage is common in the install base.

    Yes, that is a developer concern. But developers make games. You want to buy games. Developer issues become consumer issues, and storage on the WiiU has made the thing

  • Okay, this does kinda count as Wii U news. Injustice: Gods Among Us, which is also releasing on PS3/360, will be released April 2013. They finally narrowed down a month! :D

  • @Rather Dashing said: If all you can count on is 8GB of space, then as a developer you are not going to support that ecosystem. Most people won't have a 3TB drive attached to the thing. Built-in storage isn't optional, it's not a minor thing, it is a necessity to create the conditions under which a digital distribution system can thrive. It's not about YOU or YOUR storage, it's about what amount of storage is common in the install base.

    Yes, that is a developer concern. But developers make games. You want to buy games. Developer issues become consumer issues, and storage on the WiiU has made the thing

    Dashing is right. Developers aren't going to make games which are multi-gig in size and just hope that their target market bought more storage space.

    Nintendo places too high a priority on physical console size, and their software library is going to suffer for it. The dumb thing is that they should be able to take a page out of Sony's book and just release a slimmer version a few years later. Seriously, my PS2slim takes up less space than the packaging for a TV dinner.

  • Okay, so now that the WiiU is out, someone who now has one please tell me why I should care.

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