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So who felt sorry for Ben?

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I kept him alive after episode 4, and he had a really nice speech when fighting with Kenny.

He was basically saying that he never got to say goodbye to his parents (with his voice breaking and almost in a tear like state), and that at least kenny got to say goodbye to his.

He was a fuck up. I think he knew that pretty much as well. But I still forgave him, regardless of all the shit that came with him.:(

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  • @CarScar said: It's a shame. She always seemed like the stronger person in the relationship. She was so kind, caring. I really enjoyed her company. I can understand what she did though, she was losing everything. She started to realize Kenny wasn't the same man she married, the world around her went to hell, and her only son died. Losing a kid is extremely painful for a parent, especially for a mom. You brought the kid into this world, nurtured him, brought him up... Having to lose him must have been extremely hard for her.

    "Everything is changing..."
    "... I love our son more than life itself..."
    "Do you know how many nights Katjaa would spend pleading for me to be nicer to the group... every night."

    Regardless I never thought she'd take her life. She seemed stronger than that and I actually somewhat believe it was OOC of her.

    I was surprised too that she took her own life though I understand why she would do so. I like Katjaa's character even though her dialogue/screen time was limited compared to others. She was a kind person. I sometimes wonder how Lilly's kangaroo court would have turned out if Katjaa was there to perhaps lessen the tension.

    @CarScar said:
    This isn't going anywhere. I honestly give Ben partial blame for their deaths, the other blame rests with Lilly due to her inability to leave the motel and her "scary" outlook (which is likely responsible for Ben being unable to tell the group). The difference between the two scenarios is that what Ben did was traitorous and consequences were bound to happen sooner or later.

    God knows the characters in the game agree with me, and that's good enough for me because it shows Telltale wanted to put blame on Ben:

    "Ben think about it. Without you the bandits would not have attacked, Duck would never have been bitten."
    "It's all my fault, all my fault."
    "YOU GOT MY WIFE AND SON KILLED!"

    He didn't really put up much of a due diligence either. I don't think he's evil, he's well-intentioned... he's just an idiot.

    No disagreement here whatsoever. I definitely place some blame on Ben.

  • Ben most certainly is responsible for the deaths of Katjaa and Duck.

    Lets say a man goes to a bar, gets drunk, and decides to drive on home. On the way home he is so inebriated that he accidentally drives in the wrong lane. An oncoming car sees him approaching and swerves out of the way, only to lose control and collide with a tree, killing all the occupants.

    Would the drunk driver be responsible for the deaths of those people, even though it was unintentional and his vehicle did not strike them? Of course he would, and the courts would hold him liable for it.

    Like the drunk driver in that example, Ben caused the deaths of Katjaa and Duck. His actions were directly responsible for their deaths.

  • @Scaeva said: Ben most certainly is responsible for the deaths of Katjaa and Duck.

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    Would the drunk driver be responsible for the deaths of those people, even though it was unintentional and his vehicle did not strike them? Of course he would, and the courts would hold him liable for it.

    Like the drunk driver in that example, Ben caused the deaths of Katjaa and Duck. His actions were directly responsible for their deaths.

    You're missing something here. The driver in your analogy is guilty of getting drunk in the first place. Ben (a naive 17-yr-old kid who's scared out of his mind) has no choice about how good his judgment is.

    By your reasoning Clem is to blame for the deaths of Lee, Kenny and Ben, depending on your play-through.

    But you can't hold the judgment of a nine-year-old girl to the same standards as an adult, and you can't hold the judgment of a high-schooler to those standards either. Chuck pointed out that Ben was a kid, while the rest of the cast kept ignoring him. It wasn't until Ben lost his temper in ep. 5 that Kenny realized the mistake he'd made in expecting him to be brighter and more grown up.

    Because odds are if Duck had reached the age of 17 he'd have been a lot like Ben.

  • @RobtMyers said: You're missing something here. The driver in your analogy is guilty of getting drunk in the first place. Ben (a naive 17-yr-old kid who's scared out of his mind) has no choice about how good his judgment is.

    By your reasoning Clem is to blame for the deaths of Lee, Kenny and Ben, depending on your play-through.

    But you can't hold the judgment of a nine-year-old girl to the same standards as an adult, and you can't hold the judgment of a high-schooler to those standards either. Chuck pointed out that Ben was a kid, while the rest of the cast kept ignoring him. It wasn't until Ben lost his temper in ep. 5 that Kenny realized the mistake he'd made in expecting him to be brighter and more grown up.

    Because odds are if Duck had reached the age of 17 he'd have been a lot like Ben.

    No. Duck would drop out high school :)

  • Bandits were gonna raid the camp anyways,and it could've ended MUCH worse..It was just a matter of time..And anyone,who wants ''all the people to hate/like Ben'', it's not possible,there were haters,are haters and will always be haters..Ben's gone so I hope all of his ''haters'' got what they wanted.

  • @BenIsKindaCool said: Bandits were gonna raid the camp anyways,and it could've ended MUCH worse..It was just a matter of time..And anyone,who wants ''all the people to hate/like Ben'', it's not possible,there were haters,are haters and will always be haters..Ben's gone so I hope all of his ''haters'' got what they wanted.


    I didn't like Ben and I didn't want him to die. I don't want anyone in my group to die, especially a kid. He just disappointed me, he always did things wrong and got people killed. Come episode four I didn't drop him and he said to me "before this is done, I promise I will do at least one thing right" (or something). Best thing he did in episode five was tell Kenny off. I would have had way, way more respect for the character if he told us to leave him in the alley when he fell, getting over his fear of being eaten alive... Meh.

  • Lee had everything under control with the bandits until Lily started a shootout.

  • @CarScar said: I didn't like Ben and I didn't want him to die. I don't want anyone in my group to die, especially a kid. He just disappointed me, he always did things wrong and got people killed. Come episode four I didn't drop him and he said to me "before this is done, I promise I will do at least one thing right" (or something). Best thing he did in episode five was tell Kenny off. I would have had way, way more respect for the character if he told us to leave him in the alley when he fell, getting over his fear of being eaten alive... Meh.

    That's probably how it would really turn out in the end. As nice as it would have been to see Ben redeem himself, we don't get situations like those just because we strive for them. Fear is a powerful thing, and difficult to overcome, especially for a young kid like Ben.

  • @Mornai said: That's probably how it would really turn out in the end. As nice as it would have been to see Ben redeem himself, we don't get situations like those just because we strive for them. Fear is a powerful thing, and difficult to overcome, especially for a young kid like Ben.


    It was realistic but still. Ben is probably the least respectable character in the game, I expected some kind of turn around for the character where he prove that he could overcome his fear because he didn't want to be the reason why anyone else had to die. Sadly, nope. I was expecting too much from Ben, I guess. I thought he had some deep potential to be the kind of guy I wanted him to be.

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