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If Ben admitted his guilt before Lilly snapped, what would you do to him?

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This is inspired by Red Panda's thread on what to do with Lilly if she shot Ben instead.

My question, instead, is what would you want to do to Ben if he admitted his guilt before Lilly snapped and shot Carley or Doug?

I think this would've created some interesting and intense group interaction while affecting your group's disposition towards you. Kenny would most likely want Ben gone because of Duck. This could be great opportunity to further cement/repair or totally break your relationship with Kenny. Katjaa would be interesting, since she seems like such a kind person who won't act out of vengeance. Lilly would also want Ben gone too, and might even shoot Ben outright. Carley would probably allow Ben back on the RV. I am not sure about Doug since I don't his character well. Meanwhile Clem is watching...

While my heart tells me to give the kid another chance, I think for the sake of the group Ben would be left behind. We have at least two people that would strongly oppose keeping Ben, one is angry Lilly with a gun and the other is Kenny who has the RV. Keeping Ben would inevitably caused further group problems if not bloodshed. By abandoning him, I think it's a middleground on the need to punish him for endangering the group and keeping some humanity by giving him a fighting chance (but knowing Ben, we know it would be a slim one!). If the game went in this direction, hopefully it'll give you a chance to explain yourself to characters opposed to abandoning Ben.

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  • What I didn't get is why the leader of the bandits didn't expose Ben and his deal when they all had them at gun point. You think he would of blew up his spot! I found that very strange that they acted like they didn't know him.

  • @Lego said: What I didn't get is why the leader of the bandits didn't expose Ben and his deal when they all had them at gun point. You think he would of blew up his spot! I found that very strange that they acted like they didn't know him.

    Maybe they thought the entire group agreed to the deal, and Ben was just the supplier. Either way i don't think the bandits really care who gave them the supplies, as long as they got it, one way or another.

  • I would keep him and once tempers cool off I would ask everyone what they think I should do with Ben. But I would probably leave him, but not shoot him. If Lee would shoot him, that would be even worse for the group and people would start to feel contempt for Lee.

  • I would keep him with us until we found him some where safe so he can make it on his own, like what Rick tried to do for Randall in the TV show. Give him some cans of beans, tinned fruit, a weapon and wave him goodbye. I never considered him as part of the group to begin with. The deal was that we would help his friend get better then they would go, that is what Lilly and I agreed. In one of the scenarios Ben even asks to be let out of the RV when Lilly was accusing him any way and he was willing to leave the group.

  • @Wynne said: I would give him a good talking to, that's for sure, but I'd keep him. Why? Because he's a teenager, and hormones make people more emotional. Man, I remember what it was like to be that age--it makes you a crazy person.

    He was trying to save his friend and protect the group; after he figured it out, he kept going because he was terrified of the bandits. It was incredibly naive, but it's not like he tried to kill Lee or something. As long as someone means well, I will keep them around, and just help them make less stupid decisions.

    But really, all he did was hand over some hard drugs nobody needed anyway. Oxycontin is dangerously addictive--all this "what if Clem needed it, somebody's cutting our throats!" stuff from Lilly doesn't fly.

    People give Ben a hard time, but instead of losing the people we did lose, we could've lost EVERYONE to the bandits. He kept them from hitting the group on a day the walkers weren't there to shake things up.

    As far as I'm concerned, his only mistake was not telling the group what he was doing so they'd be prepared. Then again, since paranoid, unstable Lilly friggin' KILLS someone over it, maybe that wasn't a mistake at all. Maybe it was just survival instincts kicking in.

    In the end, I am inclined to blame Lilly's intense overreaction for Katjaa and Duck dying, because I think Ben would've confessed if he wasn't so afraid of her. The group might've had time to prepare a defense or leave if he'd felt compelled to confess, but with her around, that wasn't going to happen.


    I get him being afraid of Lilly. But he could have confided in Carly or Lee since he looked up to Lee, was saved by Lee in the woods and was close with Carly. So I wouldn't blame Lily for Duck and Kat's death, personally. The bandits were able to surprise attack the group, how can this be with Ben watching on guard , standing on the RV roof. When I left the motor inn to search for clues Ben could still see me. He would of saw them coming from the woods and he didn't say anything despite having the advantage/view point. If he had warned the group when the bandits were 50/25 meters away they could have retreated to Lily's room and shot the bandits from the window. Not warning the group that the bandits were coming when he was on look out is him practically handing over the group to bandits Judas style. For colluding with the bandits I would have shot Ben on the spot. That is like the scene in the TV show in season 3 when Rick killed the prisoner inmate and ran after the other one because he knew the inmate Rick killed was planning to kill him and said nothing. The only reason Lee knew his group were under attack is because Lilly noticed, having seen them breach the walls through the window. Even in her state she was still sharp enough and fast on her feet to plan an attack against the bandits with Lee. Ultimately Lee's group lost their home because Ben didn't alert the group that the bandits were coming. After they breached the walls Lee had no problem dealing with them, how much easier would it have been if Lee knew they were coming? Ben could have let the group know they were coming. Even if he froze up and was scared he was still the cause of the surprised attack.

  • @dee23 said: I get him being afraid of Lilly. But he could have confided in Carly or Lee since he looked up to Lee, was saved by Lee in the woods and was close with Carly. So I wouldn't blame Lily for Duck and Kat's death, personally. The bandits were able to surprise attack the group, how can this be with Ben watching on guard , standing on the RV roof. When I left the motor inn to search for clues Ben could still see me. He would of saw them coming from the woods and he didn't say anything despite having the advantage/view point. If he had warned the group when the bandits were 50/25 meters away they could have retreated to Lily's room and shot the bandits from the window. Not warning the group that the bandits were coming when he was on look out is him practically handing over the group to bandits Judas style. For colluding with the bandits I would have shot Ben on the spot. That is like the scene in the TV show in season 3 when Rick killed the prisoner inmate and ran after the other one because he knew the inmate Rick killed was planning to kill him and said nothing. The only reason Lee knew his group were under attack is because Lilly noticed, having seen them breach the walls through the window. Even in her state she was still sharp enough and fast on her feet to plan an attack against the bandits with Lee.

    As soon as Lee gets everything under control she starts a shootout that ends in the motel getting overrun by zombies.

  • Dee23, you made a good reminder about Ben totally sucking at sentry duty. It seems there was only one approach towards the inn, which was the front. There was at least a road's width worth of clear space so sneaking up is difficult. How did he not see the bandits and raise an alarm? Maybe I'm missing something so others could chime in.

    And yeah, I'm pissed that Ben never told the group about his deal. I know he might be scared of Lilly, but it sucks he never confided in Lee, who saved him, or Carley who seems to have taken the big sister role to Ben.

  • If Ben had revealed it, I would've forgiven him about being an indirect cause to Carley's hs. But he didn't. He should've at least told it to someone or such. T.T but yeah people screw up, but he screwed up real good. But anyway, he seems to correct this later on. So i find him ok.

    Also, how could 3 people not see a girl getting a gun? My vision angle is up to 180 degrees. Less than 200 though. I can't say i could have seen it cus im not in Lee's shoes, but i find it weird. Kenny could have also saw the gun being pulled up. He was facing Lilly.

    Like double u, i'm pissed that ben never told the group about his actions. I would have, but i'd make sure that the girl who's angry at me is weapons free.

  • @Wynne said: I would give him a good talking to, that's for sure, but I'd keep him. Why? Because he's a teenager, and hormones make people more emotional. Man, I remember what it was like to be that age--it makes you a crazy person.

    He was trying to save his friend and protect the group; after he figured it out, he kept going because he was terrified of the bandits. It was incredibly naive, but it's not like he tried to kill Lee or something. As long as someone means well, I will keep them around, and just help them make less stupid decisions.

    But really, all he did was hand over some hard drugs nobody needed anyway. Oxycontin is dangerously addictive--all this "what if Clem needed it, somebody's cutting our throats!" stuff from Lilly doesn't fly.

    People give Ben a hard time, but instead of losing the people we did lose, we could've lost EVERYONE to the bandits. He kept them from hitting the group on a day the walkers weren't there to shake things up.

    As far as I'm concerned, his only mistake was not telling the group what he was doing so they'd be prepared. Then again, since paranoid, unstable Lilly friggin' KILLS someone over it, maybe that wasn't a mistake at all. Maybe it was just survival instincts kicking in.

    In the end, I am inclined to blame Lilly's intense overreaction for Katjaa and Duck dying, because I think Ben would've confessed if he wasn't so afraid of her. The group might've had time to prepare a defense or leave if he'd felt compelled to confess, but with her around, that wasn't going to happen.

    For me, it's hard to argue that Ben's intentions were all that good, atleast as far as the group was concerned. He didn't have a problem potentially screwing the group if he thought it'd save his friend. Lee and Kenny easily could've ended up dead on their supply runs to Macon, and forking over supplies to the bandits means needing to spend more time risking their asses outside of camp to replace them.

    It's not like the group hadn't weathered bandit attacks before, either - the wall is riddled with crossbow bolts. If anything, the reprieve just made them drop their guard, as evidenced by the fact that Ben was the lookout at the time of the attack, when Carley was the one that typically handled that duty.

    Incidentally, you're wrong about the stuff Ben gave them too. First, I'm actually prescribed stuff quite a bit worse than Oxy (due to a pair of crushed vertebrae resulting from a service connected back injury a few years ago). I've never had problems coming off of my medication to participate in trials, neither do a lot of folks. Oxycontin in particular is only "dangerously addictive" if it's misused, e.g. if it's crushed (which destroys its time-release properties)... and people only typically do that if they're abusing it and trying to get high rather than using it for pain anyway.

    Second, Lilly specifically mentions that antibiotics were among the stolen items too, it's actually the first thing she lists - so yeah, she's quite right when she says that could result in somebody ending up dead if they get sick. I'd argue that holds true for pain killers depending on the circumstances, if somebody's in enough pain they can't even function... which during a survival scenario would basically be a death sentence.

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